Turkey

Erdogan isn't a good president or someone I will ever support but it's terrifying to see the unquestioned support given here to a military coup over a government which has been democratically elected many times over.
Modi is a Hindutva pro-business PM with a hard-right background, I hate the shit out of him but I would not want our military involved, ever.
 
A decade later than it should have happen, but still happy that Erdogan is out.

Hoping that it will be a fast coup though, and won't drag for month in what might be a civil war.
 
Thanks for the responses. So it's to do with the president taking them away from being a secular state.

I can only hope injuries/deaths are kept to a minimum.
 
Surely the police isn't stupid enough to take on the military?
 
quite bizzare to follow this stuff via reddit, facebook.com/live and a couple of livestreams. new media is really changing the coverage and the outcome of these events. That doesn´t develop good at all. :(
 
Silva said:
Or they could just wait for the army to relinquish power like they've always done after coups.
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At what cost to their country? Their neighbours who may be members of the AKP? Their beliefs will be oppresed? How do you know the Military will be benign?
 
RedTiger said:
How long does something have to be around for it to be considered a characteristic?
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Before secularity it was the Ottoman Empire, so iirc it's a characteristic from the start of Turkey.
 
berbatrick said:
Erdogan isn't a good president or someone I will ever support but it's terrifying to see the unquestioned support given here to a military coup over a government which has been democratically elected many times over.
Modi is a Hindutva pro-business PM with a hard-right background, I hate the shit out of him but I would not want our military involved, ever.
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Look Venezuela, they got elected and people are starving.
 
Tanks open fire - reports
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Tanks have opened fire near the Turkish parliament building, Reuters reports, following similar reports from NTV and localjournalists about gunfire in Ankara and Istanbul.

Protesters have heard Erdogan’s call to take to the streets, though, and some are chanting “shoulder to shoulder against the coup”. Others have squared off with military forces who’ve closed bridges and streets. In one video, a policeman and military officer argue in a crowd in the street; in another, cars jammed in traffic honked horns in unison as people mill among them. In a third, a crowd sings and lifts up a huge Turkish flag.
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Some people seem to have come out on the streets to support Erdogan.
 
dove said:
What a coincidence. Erdogan apologised to Russia which certainly didn't make US very happy and now we see a coup in the country where lots of NATO soldiers are located...
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That is completely mad. The US is a big supporter of Turkey and needs it to stay stable.
 
Cheesy said:
The context is obvious to you because you're seeing it unfold on the news. Many Turks may only be aware that Erdogan's reign is in peril and that he's asking them to fight for him. It's cowardly, selfish and irresponsible either way - the actions of a power hungry dictator determined to use his people as pawns as opposed to one who cares for his people.
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They get the news in Turkey. I'm sure they know as much as we do
 
barros said:
and people been stupid and staying outside, if this turns bad then a lot of them will die.
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Just put on Sky news and it seems like some people are stuck (bridges closed down or something), so not simply the case of people just hanging about outside.
 
Mozza said:
They get the news in Turkey. I'm sure they know as much as we do
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You do realise they've banned internet, right? I'd imagine news coming in is very conflicted at the moment with the current state of affairs. And irregardless, it's still selfish and morally wrong for Erdogan to ask his supporters to do his dirty work.
 
berbatrick said:
Erdogan isn't a good president or someone I will ever support but it's terrifying to see the unquestioned support given here to a military coup over a government which has been democratically elected many times over.
Modi is a Hindutva pro-business PM with a hard-right background, I hate the shit out of him but I would not want our military involved, ever.
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Indeed. One of those times where principles of democracy (and those who hold to them) are really tested. Complicated (and very interesting) stuff. Personally I'd be slightly doubtful of anyone who 100% backs either side in this scenario, it's not good at all.

Though tbf I'm not well informed enough to properly judge beyond general principles.
 
barros said:
Shouldn't police stay away from this coup?
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I honestly don't know that much about Turkish government, but my (see the foreword) understanding is that it's likely that the police are probably part of the state security apparatus that supports the government.
 
JPRouve said:
Everytime I try to be positive, it ends badly.:(
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I'm not sure what to think really.

I despise Erdogan and instinctively I'm pleased he's finally getting his comeuppance, but on the flip side I can see this getting quite bloody.

As a Kurd I'm a little conflicted to say the least.
 
Mozza said:
I'm sure they are aware that taking on the military could be a bit dangerous. The context is obvious, the democratic government has been overthrown in a military coup
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You're just repeating yourself mate, nobody gives a shit about this just like when Nawaz Sharif, Hasina Wajid/Khaleda Zia, Morsi and other were overthrown.
 
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