Turkey

What a coincidence. Erdogan apologised to Russia which certainly didn't make US very happy and now we see a coup in the country where lots of NATO soldiers are located...
 
2cents said:
I said Islamist, not Islamic. There is a rather huge difference.

So you don't believe Erdogan is attempting to transform Turkey into an authoritarian Islamist state? Have to agree with @Fener1907 in that case, you have no idea about Turkey.
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No, just loosen the forced secularisation of Attaturk. The fact that there was a huge fuss because his missus wore a scarf shows the stupidity of Turkeys secularists
 
Mozza said:
No, just loosen the forced secularisation of Attaturk. The fact that there was a huge fuss because his missus wore a scarf shows the stupidity of Turkeys secularists
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Confirmed, you know nothing about what Erdogan has been doing for the last five years.

E.g. March of this year:

President Erdogan says freedom and democracy have 'no value' in Turkey amid arrests and military crackdown

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...urkey-amid-arrests-and-military-a6938266.html
 
2cents said:
I said Islamist, not Islamic. There is a rather huge difference.

So you don't believe Erdogan is attempting to transform Turkey into an authoritarian Islamist state? Have to agree with @Fener1907 in that case, you have no idea about Turkey.
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I wouldn't waste your energy on that exchange. Some people read too many Wikipedia articles and then mistake themselves for political analysts, forgetting the bit where you're actually supposed to know about the country you're discussing.
 
Fener1907 said:
Yeah, he's pro Islam, but dangerously so. The population is largely defined as religious, although the average Turk's idea of what it means to be religious is seriously tenuous. There's a serious disconnect between his ambitions for Turkey and what those religious Turkish people desire. For example, it's no secret that ISIS has been freely moving through Turkey because of grand designs for Syria. If that isn't enough to convince people how unstable he is, I don't know what is.

It's not just about being sick of him like you might be sick of Rajoy for his conservative stances. He's simply a threat to democracy in Turkey and is leading the country down a seriously dangerous path. You can't value democracy and at the same time support him, because he's going to do away with it all in the end anyway.
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Thanks!, good explanation.
 
dove said:
What a coincidence. Erdogan apologised to Russia which certainly didn't make US very happy and now we see a coup in the country where lots of NATO soldiers are located...
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Hitler, Bin Laden and Ramsey Snow were all CIA agents FACHT. The latter even shared George W Bush and Donald Trump nickname
 
Silva said:
You say that like it was ever in doubt.
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It's best to give people a chance to clarify amidst the chaos of a fast-moving thread like this. He's entitled to his entirely misinformed view.
 
Fener1907 said:
Yeah, he's pro Islam, but dangerously so. The population is largely defined as religious, although the average Turk's idea of what it means to be religious is seriously tenuous. There's a serious disconnect between his ambitions for Turkey and what those religious Turkish people desire. For example, it's no secret that ISIS has been freely moving through Turkey because of grand designs for Syria. If that isn't enough to convince people how unstable he is, I don't know what is.

It's not just about being sick of him like you might be sick of Rajoy for his conservative stances. He's simply a threat to democracy in Turkey and is leading the country down a seriously dangerous path. You can't value democracy and at the same time support him, because he's going to do away with it all in the end anyway.
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why they kept voting him though?
 
Mozza said:
No, just loosen the forced secularisation of Attaturk. The fact that there was a huge fuss because his missus wore a scarf shows the stupidity of Turkeys secularists
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The "forced secularisation"? Are you serious?

Might I ask where you are from? I am guessing somewhere without equal rights for women. Just a guess.
 
Message from a redditor:

From my friend in Ankara "He can see large amounts of heavly armed police marching down the street. And what seems to be APC's and police armed with automatic weapons. Also see's non police AKP supports armed and unarmed marching with them. He doesn't know what's their destination."

/u/NeedAGoodUsername
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:nervous:
 
I'm a bit confused, what exactly is a coup? How does this work and why are they doing this?
 
Mozza said:
Reading the article its the standard authorian reponse to terrorism, nothing Islamist in nature
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"Early in his career Mr Erdogan made a telling remark he was later to regret. Democracy is like a train, he said; you get off once you have reached your destination. Now many of his party’s critics fear that Turkey’s president may be getting close to that goal."

http://www.economist.com/news/speci...tment-democracy-seems-be-fading-getting-train

Tell me, do you know anything about Erdogan's early political career?
 
saivet said:
I'm a bit confused, what exactly is a coup? How does this work and why are they doing this?
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Military attempting a take over because they don't like the way Erdogan is taking the country (less secular)
 
saivet said:
I'm a bit confused, what exactly is a coup? How does this work and why are they doing this?
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A coup is the act of taking over a country, from within, by force. The generally happen because of disagreements between one sect vs the other (government vs army in this case). You can read the last few pages to find the army's reasoning here.
 
Still can't believe he said "Take the streets". What a colossal cnut.
 
RedTiger said:
It doesn't matter who is in power, Turkey is never joining the EU while other countries have a vote on the matter.
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Yeah, would be insane to accept them in their current state.
 
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