That could have been a suicide bomber.
This is a very dangerous time right now. Could give leverage to Eye-sis who are losing ground in Iraq, and allow them to slither into Turkey.
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That could have been a suicide bomber.
This is a very dangerous time right now. Could give leverage to Eye-sis who are losing ground in Iraq, and allow them to slither into Turkey.
I can't think of any particular group that comes to mind outside of the state organizations like the police. The political party with the potential to organize opposition would probably be the MHP, but I think they'd see themselves as onlookers in this situation because they're also interested in preserving the Turkish Republic.
I doubt that AKP will rally enough support. If they did march to show support for RTE - and I think we've passed that point - it would only end in lots of bloodshed.
Oh, Mozza. Go to bed.
As much to do with mass ownership of live VDO streaming and recording equipment via smart phones and immediate sharing platforms like Twitter. You get virtually real time VDO updates on every event in the world right now.
I'm not sure it's a great thing: if given the impression that it's nuts everywhere. IN reality I suspect it's always been like this, but did not have 24/7 news culture and no instant global VDO sharing technology. Ie: when I was young, BBC 9 o'clock Ness was the flagship show and an even like this coup would have gotten just 2 or 3 minutes and hidden in the middle of the show.
More than the Turkish Military
@Fener1907 For the little I know about the politics of Turkey, Erdogan was pro Islam, while the army is clearly secular , and for the image that I have of turkey , I imagine that much of the population is secular as well. This trend toward religion was noticeable in the daily life of a Turkish ?, you think may be the cause of the coup or simply that everyone is sick of Erdogan ?.
He should ask Jan Böhmerman first...
No chance he ends up in Moscow, they've been bitter opposites in the Syrian conflict.
if only Merkel could get the boot.
In what sense? He's happy to use democracy to consolidate his power, but every indication is that he is/was heading for an authoritarian dictatorship. The Turkish military have launched four previous coups, and while they've all been different (1980 was especially bad), democracy has always returned in some form.
The choice here isn't between democracy and military rule, it's between Islamist authoritarianism and military rule.
I guess that will freeze Turkey's application into the EU
Germany rejects asylum to Erdogan, NBC reports
Why? She's elected democratically and she care about everybody including immigrants.
Dreading to see how ISIS exploit this situation... They have many folllowers in Turkey
If they new leadership are actually serious about Democracy, human rights etc then it may accelerate it.
thanks. Hopefully the Army is united and the police is sensible enough to lay downs their arms. Best to you, your country and all people in turkey. I just hope, that there is no bloodshed. Great country that took the wrong turn.
Truly frightening that we live in an age where 84 innocent people being crushed by a maniac driving a lorry doesn't even last 24 hours as the top story.
true but at the moment its frozen.
I don't think that Turkey is in a position to be in the EU just yet. Erdogan was voted in after all. The EU should be open only towards countries whose vast majority believe in Democracy, Human rights and fight against terrorism and extremism and not because they have guns pointed to their head
The news about him trying to get to Germany are surely bullshit. People who think that Merkel would let him in only because she's been doing shady deals with him on behalf of the EU don't know her very well.
That's not an answer. Does he, or does he not, believe in democracy?
New coup new thread, no?
So they call themselves jammat?
Anyone have a dumbed down version of what is going on in Turkey? Trying to follow but I'm a bit lost if I'm honest. Is there any good side here? Was this government harsh on its people in some way?
TBH even the very idea of Turkey entering the EU scares the shit out of me and I am a remainer. Erdogan was voted in after all
Nonesense. Being Islamic doesn't mean authoritarianism, people can't be forcefully secularised, if this coup is successful it'll only happen again in 20 years time
The Turkish military have launched a coup. Erdogan is outside the area, probably in Bodrum or on his way elsewhere.
@Mozza your such a WUM
Watching Al Jazeera English news .. better coverage than Sky imo.
???? is he not holed up in some hotel , phoning TV stations on Skype.
Yeah, he's pro Islam, but dangerously so. The population is largely defined as religious, although the average Turk's idea of what it means to be religious is seriously tenuous. There's a serious disconnect between his ambitions for Turkey and what those religious Turkish people desire. For example, it's no secret that ISIS has been freely moving through Turkey because of grand designs for Syria. If that isn't enough to convince people how unstable he is, I don't know what is.
It's not just about being sick of him like you might be sick of Rajoy for his conservative stances. He's simply a threat to democracy in Turkey and is leading the country down a seriously dangerous path. You can't value democracy and at the same time support him, because he's going to do away with it all in the end anyway.
I said Islamist, not Islamic. There is a rather huge difference.
So you don't believe Erdogan is attempting to transform Turkey into an authoritarian Islamist state? Have to agree with @Fener1907 in that case, you have no idea about Turkey.
People are idiots, it doesn't take much to take them in one direction or the other. See all of human history.
Yes
the final crazy orders by dictators. Mussolini, Hitler and Gheddafi did the same thing
Some sources saying Erdogan left the country, knowing this was going to happen.