Have i entered an alternate reality where the military haven't been basically at war with the kurds for decades?
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Have i entered an alternate reality where the military haven't been basically at war with the kurds for decades?
And Turkey has a long history of military coup's, too. The US doesn't, so comparisons between the two countries should surely take that into account.
And he doesn't bow down to them like every other leader
Apparently Erdogan says it's a coup by the "Goulan"? movement. (What's that?)
Half the country is pissed with him and genuinely hate him. The secular part, which the army supports. It's because he's openly moving them towards conservative, religious culture and lifestyle.
They have their own ulterior motives, they certainly aren't doing this for the good of their people.
Read up on how the military treated them in the past.
Maybe at this stage, but anyone can see the direction Erdogan is/was taking the country. To be clear, I'm not gung-ho in favour of this action, but Erdogan was going to have to be stopped sooner or later - we all would have preferred via the ballot box, but it's become increasingly clear that he would not allow that possibility.
He'd be wise to do that if he can't return to Ankara, as he could get arrested or killed if he tries to reclaim power.
But I imagine these are pro-West generals and see the US as an ally.
That's not what I'm saying or at least not what I meant to say. I didn't mean to say that the military are good guys, I already said that we have to wait for the outcome to see if this will be good.
I'm just saying that the fact Erdogan was elected - even if he was elected by an actual majority - doesn't legitimize him because democracy is about more than just having a majority. It's important that he is removed even if it happens by military force.
So basically you aren't happy because your side didn't win
Seeing Erdogan doing these interviews over a phone is just bizarre. Almost like a surreal comedic element among the dangerous chaos and uncertainty.
Erdogan will lose next to nothing from this Coup honestly. Only the common citizen will suffer
We just dumped Skrtel there yesterday.
They've probably already assured the U.S all their military assets are safe and sound.
You sound like such a simpleton. To reiterate, you have no idea what you're talking about. Don't worry, there are plenty of you.
Erdogan using Facetime. I see an Apple advert on the horizon.
The world is in such a surreal state lately. Scenes everywhere.
I get the impression this conflict and dispute goes far beyond merely taking sides. Obviously overthrowing democracy is massive and hard to justify, but it's extremely easy to see why many Turks are disillusioned at the increasingly Islamic direction their secular country is going in.
The Gulen movement is an Islamist organization which is rumoured to have infiltrated vast swathes of the Turkish state over a number of years. It was originally an ally of Erdogan's AK Party, but they have fallen out in recent years, and it's been bitter. The movement is led by Fethullah Gulen, who lives in Philadelphia.
"Take to the streets". What a leader.
I know That, I meant why today? Has something else happened in last few days to prompt this?
You understand that his side is the side of secularism, free press, womens freedom and the foundation that Atatürk put in place right? While Erdogan is the polar opposite.
You almost make it sound like Erdogan would accept democratic elections, like feck he would. There would be no way to remove him from power other than a coup.
I'm sure he'll be "taking to the streets" as he looks to slither off to Germany or wherever else gives him asylum.
Thanks for that. Don't know much about Turkey.
That's also my belief, hence my question of what they are so pissed right now. Military coups are quite a big deal and result in the death court martial if failed!
Bets on where Erdogan ends up?
I'm going with Saudi Arabia, dark horse being Moscow.
I'm going with Saudi Arabia, dark horse being Moscow.
@Fener1907
are there any unofficial militias/armed groups in Turkey that could interfere and escalate the situation?
What happens if the AKP can organize enough people to march in the streets?
are there any unofficial militias/armed groups in Turkey that could interfere and escalate the situation?
What happens if the AKP can organize enough people to march in the streets?
Turkey military giving it socks
I am not really too much informed on situation in Turkey but can someone explain:
1. How exactly is the military trying to follow democracy and equality if they hate Kurds?
2. What is their definition of democracy if they want to remove the goverment that is elected in democratic way by majority of people?
These two things don't make much sense to me.
1. How exactly is the military trying to follow democracy and equality if they hate Kurds?
2. What is their definition of democracy if they want to remove the goverment that is elected in democratic way by majority of people?
These two things don't make much sense to me.
Erdogan asking people to go out isnt going to end well..
NOT SAFE
NOT SAFE
You don't care about democracy
Probably a NATO country where there won't be any future coups, which rules out Saudi and Russia.
Do you honestly, hand on heart, believe Erdogan cares about democracy?
Strikes me as the selfishness of a power hungry man rather than someone concerned for his people.
Qatar most likely.