Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation

Pexbo said:
Do you think he operates like that? Everything I’ve read about Mueller says that he’s a straight shooter, methodical and follows the law to the letter.

If he’s targeting Trump, then Trump is right, it’s a witch hunt. The only way I’m completely comfortable with him targeting Trump is if he already has enough evidence to charge him with something and he wants to build a watertight case.
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That's how prosecutors work. They arrange their workflow in order to go for the head of the organization. He's not targeting Trump for political reasons, he's simply going after the biggest fish in the pond.
 
Might have been mentioned here before but I've been reading some theories that aside from the possibly obvious obstruction of justice charge Mueller might levy against Trump and Co. - that the other, actual focus ends up being China related money laundering and other financial shenanigans from the Trump organization in that part of the world - and the Russia part of this serves as a good way to keep Trump from thinking he has anything right now to take action against the special counsel's investigation.

Trump's Asian investments are significantly beyond anything in Russia. Interesting thought - and might explain why the story that there is also a focus on Kushner won't go away. You d also wonder what "flies" might be on the wall when Donnie Jr. does his India trip.

Edit: part of the rationale of the above is also that the belief is there some of this Russia stuff was planted purposely by those opposed to Clinton - figuring that if she won, they could come up with enough Russia related ammunition to completely detract from her Presidency and ability to do things. Trump of course could continue to serve as a convenient lightning rod for the RNC without actually being a politician. That would also explain why Trump is sticking to this no collusion narrative, the Nunes memo, refusal to enforce the Russia sanctions etc. They needed to find a way to turn this back around now that Donnie actually is President. Again- speculation I picked up on online but interesting take on it and doesn't even seem that far fetched.
 
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Raoul said:
That's how prosecutors work. They arrange their workflow in order to go for the head of the organization. He's not targeting Trump for political reasons, he's simply going after the biggest fish in the pond.
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Good point well made, perhaps shows the effect Trump’s words can have. I obviously can’t bare him, ridicule the hogwash he comes out with and yet fling enough shit and some of it is going to stick. I think for the most part I’m a critical thinker but his cries of witch hunt obviously resonated on some level for me to think like that.
 
shabadu84 said:
I'd have Manafort in that 2nd circle, with Trump or Pence in the bullseye. Also in that 2nd circle would be Flynn, Kushner, and Jr. 2 down, 2 to go.

The rest of the gang - Sessions, Bannon, Conway, Priebus, Hicks, Roger Stone - would probably also be in that circle of hell as well. The outer circle are all the other clingers-on who helped along the way, including Page, Papadopolous, Gates, etc.
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Kushner and Jr are in pot one for me.
 
MrMarcello said:
I watched that clip a few minutes ago on CNN. Hilarious reporting. That woman truly believes what she wants to believe.
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That's the scary thing in all this.

She was spouting all sorts of nonsense, but there's so many people like her out there who genuinely believe what we think is outlandish and claim its us who are living in an alternate reality.
 
Blodssvik said:
Of course it's fair game but it doesn't mean it's newsworthy or good journalism.
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You don't think that's a valuable insight into the way these people think? I found it equally horrifying and fascinating, personally.
 
Blodssvik said:
Of course it's fair game but it doesn't mean it's newsworthy or good journalism.
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It is perfectly good journalism to ask the person who ran the facebook group a few questions about whether they knew the Russians were using them to advance their interference campaign.
 
Pexbo said:
You don't think that's a valuable insight into the way these people think? I found it equally horrifying and fascinating, personally.
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The woman is basically the quintissential Trump supporter. Old, low information, paranoid, and easily led. Her ilk need to be exposed so the general public can see what sort of non sensical creatures Trump has cultivated.
 
Raoul said:
The woman is basically the quintissential Trump supporter. Old, low information, paranoid, and easily led. Her ilk need to be exposed so the general public can see what sort of non sensical creatures Trump has cultivated.
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I wouldn’t say they were cultivated by Trump. He merely brought in the harvest. The cultivation, at least it appears to me like it, was done by Fox News, right wing talk radio and so on. Trump just got lucky and was the right man at the right time.

I think to actually progress from this, the US needs to tackle the constant effort by some elites, to dumb down parts of the country in order to groom voters for their agenda.
 
HTG said:
I wouldn’t say they were cultivated by Trump. He merely brought in the harvest. The cultivation, at least it appears to me like it, was done by Fox News, right wing talk radio and so on. Trump just got lucky and was the right man at the right time.

I think to actually progress from this, the US needs to tackle the constant effort by some elites, to dumb down parts of the country in order to groom voters for their agenda.
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Yes you're right. The cultivation was definitely done by the right wing lie machine and then taken advantage by the likes of Trump and others. There's a touch of insanity among Trump voters that we just didn't see with the likes of Rubio or Cruz supporters, who tended to be a bit more "normal" by Republican standards.
 
Raoul said:
It is perfectly good journalism to ask the person who ran the facebook group a few questions about whether they knew the Russians were using them to advance their interference campaign.
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One would even think that it is the first thing a journalist would do. She is one of the most relevant witness.
 
Raoul said:
The woman is basically the quintissential Trump supporter. Old, low information, paranoid, and easily led. Her ilk need to be exposed so the general public can see what sort of non sensical creatures Trump has cultivated.
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The American society cultivated her and people like her for over 60 years before Trump decided to run. Obedient aiders of their own demise. Both Republican and Democratic voters.
 
Fergies Gum said:
The American society cultivated her and people like her for over 60 years before Trump decided to run. Obedient aiders of their own demise. Both Republican and Democratic voters.
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Either way, whats to be gained by ignoring her and those like her?
 
Grinner said:
You just hope they die off. There's no changing their minds. They aren't interested in truth.
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Will the next generation be turned into them too? Or have we crossed some sort of threshold? I hope so. Hope the young aren't being so easily lead...
 
Fergie's gum said:
This is a debate worth listening to:
https://megaphone.link/PPY6774031588
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The links not working for me, is it the Risen/Greenwald debate? I heard some of it on Jeremy Scahills podcast earlier and it was indeed quite interesting. Risen's point about Greenwald always playing the man and not the underlying issue is absolutely spot on. Although even Greenwald is having to admit that there's more to the Russian interference than he initially gave credence to.
 
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