This is deeply enjoyable. 
Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation
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I swear Carlson is an SNL comic posing as a Fox News host.
So is it:
1. Although he is a racist, mysoginistic and ignorant bigot, Trump is a policical savant. He has unshakeable self-belief and ability to resist pressure. He has turned the tables on the Democrats, pulling the main body of House Republicans/a majority of GOP reps behind his view that the Mueller investigation is politicised, thus laying the groundwork for a push back when the time comes for indictments, reports or even impeached. Liberals were wrong about him before, very wrong. They are about to underestimate him again.
2. Trump and his people are getting help from outside on a constant basis and working to a coherent and to some degree pre-prepared plan (may or may not overlap to some degree with point 1). The American coup has already happened.
3. Trump is hapless but a flat track bully, taking advantage of a spineless and unprincipled GOP. When the faeces hits the rotor, they will be inept and fragmented; it will be every (wo)man for himself. Mueller is systematically building a powerful case, and will eventually prevail. No one fecks with the FBI.
or...?
1. Although he is a racist, mysoginistic and ignorant bigot, Trump is a policical savant. He has unshakeable self-belief and ability to resist pressure. He has turned the tables on the Democrats, pulling the main body of House Republicans/a majority of GOP reps behind his view that the Mueller investigation is politicised, thus laying the groundwork for a push back when the time comes for indictments, reports or even impeached. Liberals were wrong about him before, very wrong. They are about to underestimate him again.
2. Trump and his people are getting help from outside on a constant basis and working to a coherent and to some degree pre-prepared plan (may or may not overlap to some degree with point 1). The American coup has already happened.
3. Trump is hapless but a flat track bully, taking advantage of a spineless and unprincipled GOP. When the faeces hits the rotor, they will be inept and fragmented; it will be every (wo)man for himself. Mueller is systematically building a powerful case, and will eventually prevail. No one fecks with the FBI.
or...?
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3, hopefully.
This is deeply enjoyable.
It's interesting to note that Assange claimed to have a trove of documents related to Murdoch around 5 or 6 years ago. When you consider that WikiLeaks is essentially an arm of the Russian Government now, it's interesting that the majority of the Fox News talking heads are all backing Trump and rubbishing the Mueller investigation.
Oooohh nice twist! I'd love to know if there's some truth to it. It's scary to consider how much power that one man has over the world.
Yep, which made him and obvious target for Russia/WikiLeaks. Own the media, own the world. Own the man who owns the world media...
Begs the question what could he possibly have that would make a private citizen like Murdoch vulnerable to blackmail especially given the man's security net against public smear campaigns.
For FoxNews it makes sense to support Trump from their own ideological point of view too. So going by Occam's razor I'd say that's why.
For FoxNews it makes sense to support Trump from their own ideological point of view too. So going by Occam's razor I'd say that's why.
He’s still got it
Still find myself checking if it's Denald, even if Denald is gone.
What happens to all the things Mueller investigated if he gets fired and for whatever reason there is no new investigation put in place?
They all go away and we all live happily ever after
It'll all be scrutinised by new appointment Tronald Dump.
The FBI and DOJ are by law mandated to investigate illegal activity, especially acts that have already been identified as such by previous investigations and indictments. If Trump fires Mueller that mandate doesn't go away and the investigation has to continue. The mass outrage among all Dems and at least have of Republicans would also likely result in either an impeachment proceeding or the reinstatement of the independent council statute that expired in 1999, where by Mueller would be reinstated - this time in an independent role that Trump can't legally touch.
In terms of public sentiment, it would more or less be tantamount to Trump admitting he is guilty of something and that continuing the investigation would result in him being implicated in something illegal, which would obviously be catastrophic to both him and Republican chances this year and in 2020.
As opposed to a traitor...
This is deeply enjoyable.
This douchebag made a play with Roger Ailes and Trump to start their own news network. No one expected Trump to win and now he is stuck with no other option but to support him on every count.
Right. But would Mueller as private citizen be able to speak about the things he found out?
Trump is 'an American disgrace'.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/i-hope-...ureaus-real-reaction-trump-firing-james-comey
Mueller would likely resume the investigation if the independent council statute was reinstated, so he wouldn't be a civilian for long.
If he was just a civilian out of government he wouldn't talk about anything as most of the information would still be privileged or classified.
The information yes, but does that also apply to the conclusions? As in if he found Trump to be guilty of obstruction that as such wouldn't be classified.
He can't find him guilty of obstruction of justice. That's not his decision to make. He's investigating it and he can put forward a case for it on behalf of the American people. He's neither judge nor jury though.
No, he won't talk about anything as he won't want to taint the investigation going forward. This is of course isn't going to happen since Mueller isn't going anywhere anytime soon and the investigation should be wrapped up later this year (imo).
Yes, that's true. I meant by his own judgement.
I think there are two possible scenarios where Trump sacks Mueller.
1. The writing is on the wall, he knows there is mountains of evidence against him and out of pure desperation he pulls the plug in the hope a Republican lead House and Senate will act as partisan we know they can.
2. It becomes evident that it's going to be a blue wave in the midterms. Firstly, he won't bear the thought of a Schiff lead house majority and secondly, he'll know that impeachment is just around the corner so he'll try to put an end to criminal proceeding that could see close family facing state level charges.
The important take away is that firing him would result in more problems than benefits for Trump, as he would be widely viewed as guilty of something he desperately doesn't want uncovered, which would result in an even bigger problem for him.
I'm really wondering if it would.
They're so good at doing that stuff and then washing it off that any outrage would be quickly contained. The majority of the GOP would still fall in line and say it was the right thing to do.
What's looking likely, though, it seems, is a Senate majory for the Democrats but as you were otherwise. How would that play out as regards potential impeachment?
This is super stuff. Well done to Wittes and everyone else involved.
If that were true then wouldn't the rest of Murdoch's media assets ( London Times, Sun and Sky to name a few) also have a pro Russian/Trump slant?
Suppose Murdoch likes to have his eggs in multiple baskets - and expecting him to change everything would be too unrealistic. Theory does strike me as far-fetched anyway but even just one outlet being more pro-Russia is no doubt beneficial for them.