Yeah good point, never thought about that. The dossier was likely a hot topic of discussion by then.
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Yeah good point, never thought about that. The dossier was likely a hot topic of discussion by then.
I'm sure I remember him confirming it when Buzzfeed released it. Lots of media had it for months and didn't want to release it until the news broke that the intelligence agencies warned Trump about the presence of it when they met with him in January?
Trump's lawyers are now claiming Mueller's team improperly obtained documents.
We just have to be prepared for a complete assault on Mueller and the Russia investigation going forward. They are absolutely bricking it now that Flynn has flipped and is prepared to give an inside account on everything.
You get the feeling that its just a matter of time before they end up firing Mueller.
Big question is what documents? Juicy?
They're saying its the documents from the transition team.
He would like to attempt it but is facing push back right now from his own lawyers, various GOP members of congress, and others.
They are Trump transition emails so anything in them could've been used to juxtapose what various witnesses said when Mueller recently spoke to them.
Nice try
Could be interesting
Just imagine waking up one morning just in time for breaking news...FBI bring him out and is an open and shut case. Would you get ready as usual or call in to work?
I'm hoping for Kushner but if the whole house came falling down I'd be on my roof
@Raoul I’ll tag you too even though you were a little slow
The two things I take from this:
1. The attempted pruning of emails is as good as an admission of guilt.
2. If they were considered privilege, we are surely talking about communications directly with Trump or at least discussing direct conversations with Trump. That’s huge.
They can't be that incompetent?
"Hey! No fair! You shouldn't have those incriminating emails because we tried to subvert the course of justice and deleted all of those ones!"
Fox News seem to have spat the dummy out over this too.
"Hey! No fair! You shouldn't have those incriminating emails because we tried to subvert the course of justice and deleted all of those ones!"
Fox News seem to have spat the dummy out over this too.
Though many of these GOP politicians have jumped onto the bandwagon regarding the text messages that the senior FBI official was sending to his partner. That's become part of a classic distraction tactic from the WH and right wing media, who are seeking to discredit the Mueller investigation.
Reckon Kushner will be one of the next to be indicted. A couple of days ago we were told Kushner's team were looking to hire a crisis pr firm, so it appears they're preparing for something heading their way.
@Raoul I’ll tag you too even though you were a little slow
The two things I take from this:
1. The attempted pruning of emails is as good as an admission of guilt.
2. If they were considered privilege, we are surely talking about communications directly with Trump or at least discussing direct conversations with Trump. That’s huge.
My takeaway is that Trump is getting very poor legal advice - probably things he wants to hear as opposed to what he needs to hear. This has led to this debacle where Mueller has outflanked him on these emails, which he is now using to hammer the likes of Hope Hicks, Spicer, Don Jr., Kushner et al when they come in for interviews. These could be particularly damning if there are any mentions of Comey and the then FBI investigation.
While simultaneously hoping for Mueller to not make a procedural mistake that'd allow to attack the credibility of the probe.
Yep, yep and yep.
I find it incredibly unlikely that Trump will be completely unblemished from this cache.
If he is then you have to consider this situation:
He’s genuinely dumb as bricks and the Russians, the GOP and the likes of Flynn, Manafort and Co have used him as a very easily manipulated tool these last few years. He’s not go the foggiest how emails work so he’s avoided direct contact and at best/worst his legal team communicate on his behalf with everything delegated so when the hammer falls it can never be attributed to Trump himself. I suspect that’s how he’s operated and got away with what he had for so long.
Now the trouble he’s beginning to have is that as President, he bares responsibility for his satellites. On top of that, his family are implicated now so if they are under the microscope it’s a lot harder to martyr one of them than it is a random lawyer or associate.
Bob Mueller looks to me like the kind of man who does not make procedural mistakes.
That's the inevitable result of a narcissist surrounding themselves with sycophants. I doubt there's anybody in his inner circle who genuinely believes in him and would want what's best for the man. Anybody in the Orange Orbit is there to line their own pockets so they'll tell him whatever it takes for them to keep getting paid.
Pretty obvious that Mueller is gonna get got, one way or another, soon enough. It's been coming for ages, ever since the Comey firing I'd argue. The questions are: how much has Mueller prepared for in anticipation of this, assuming that the President is a serial obstructer of justice, and how will America and its elected representatives react? We can't know the former, but the latter question, even assuming it's dependent on the former, does not hold out much hope for those looking for Trump to get taken out any time soon.
Trump's going to fire Mueller while everyone's off for Christmas, perhaps.
Renato to the rescue. Good explanation of all of this.
Its not easy to fire Mueller. He would first have to fire Rosenstein with a sycophant replacement which will be difficult since that alone with invoke a massive shitstorm. Trump knows that Mueller currently has enough information to check mate him and will definitely keep trying to get rid though.
Yes I've read all the possible barriers, I just think trump will manage it anyway, that's just who he is and it appears he has his party on his side. And if even 20% of what the anti-Trump press report on the Mueller investigation is true, then Trump has no choice but to fire him - it's his only option. So let's face it, he's going to try to do it, and soon.
There's a good chance he will try. Not sure what the result will be given that it will cause a constitutional crisis.
I'm gonna put my cards on the table and say that America will, ultimately, suck it up.
I don't think that's possible. There would be mass protest among the Dems and half of the GOP if that happened. Enough to re-establish the Independent Council statute and reassign Mueller to the case.
That may happen initially, but note I said "ultimately"; and the fact is no US President has ever been taken out this way (I think? Am I right?); the GOP seems to remain firmly behind their man and controls, at the moment, the democratic means of taking a President out (again, I think?); and lastly, despite Trump's apparently record-breaking low approval ratings, there's a decent chance that, the longer the investigation drags on, the more used to him the American public will get, the more chance some of his policies will actually pay off (in the eyes of the public), and the more chance those policies of his which were genuinely novel and populist (especially on stuff like immigration) will become even more popular with the public, whoever the messenger.
It's things like this with these emails that makes me so confident that Mueller is two steps ahead of the game at all times. The fact that the GOP is freaking out over this investigation and is using arguments that's downright laughable in many cases just to throw dirt on the people involved is also quite telling that there really is something big going on here.
As for Trump firing Mueller, legally there needs to be 'good cause' for him to do that, he can't just fire him because he feels like it. From what we know so far, what could that possibly be?
As for Trump firing Mueller, legally there needs to be 'good cause' for him to do that, he can't just fire him because he feels like it. From what we know so far, what could that possibly be?
Nixon was taken out this way. He committed the Saturday night massacre which ultimately led to his preemptive resignation to avoid certain impeachment.
Everything I've read about that indicates that they were very different times, with a somewhat principled GOP prepared to take out their man in the face of overwhelming corruption. Do you really have any faith in the Republicans to do the same today?
And in any case, Nixon resigned before the impeachment process could get into full swing. Does anyone here think Trump will resign?
That's true. The GOP were definitely more principled then. Although there would be at least half of them that would consider impeachment and the fact that Ryan may be retiring (impeachment must start in the House of Reps) suggests he may have some leeway to do it without worrying about his job. But lets wait and see what happens from now until New Years.