Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation

Pexbo said:
I certainly don't trust the GOP to do the right thing but, as I have said a few times before: Remember how Comey documented everything and left a paper trail as he had a feeling he'd be sacked?

I think Mueller will have been doing the same. If he's sacked, I think he'll have a number of sealed indictments waiting to be unsealed and a huge stack of evidence and reports all prepared for submission.

So it'll be a case of:

  1. Mueller fired.
  2. GOP deliberate over rehiring him under congressional jurisdiction.
  3. GOP admit that they're likely to put the whole thing to bed and give Trump their backing.
  4. Judges and FBI agents Mueller has trusted then lean on GOP warning them that even though the investigation isn't finished there is a whole stack load of criminal charges about to be announced.
  5. GOP then have to decide whether to try to contain the whole thing and see what charges stick, or try to wash their hands clean of it and allow Mueller to finish his job.
I don't believe for a second that firing Mueller will free everyone of any chance of charges. The investigation might finish but somebody will press charges with the findings.
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The RNC has just got behind an accused paedophile because Trump has backed him. I don't think there is anything he can do at the moment that they wont support.
 
Yep. Flynn is way over his head, which is why Mueller had more than enough to hammer him with, thus the flip.
 
Fox news is hilarious right now. On Manafort. The FBI is the new KGB secret police. They came for him. They knocked through his door. If it could happen to him it could happen to you. :lol:

Note to self... Passport count... 1 check. Ghost authorship with Russians during home arrest due to interaction with Russians.... 0 check. Disposable phones... 0 check. Trips to odd countries.... 0 check.

Not seeing FBI pound on my door yet :(
 
senorgregster said:
Fox news is hilarious right now. On Manafort. The FBI is the new KGB secret police. They came for him. They knocked through his door. If it could happen to him it could happen to you. :lol:

Note to self... Passport count... 1 check. Ghost authorship with Russians during home arrest due to interaction with Russians.... 0 check. Disposable phones... 0 check. Trips to odd countries.... 0 check.

Not seeing FBI pound on my door yet :(
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FBI secret KGB:lol:
If you've done nothing wrong you've nothing to fear from the FBI. I wouldn't say the same from the KGB.
 
The FBI loves getting politicians in scandals. Nunes getting busted is a case of when not if.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
The FBI loves getting politicians in scandals. Nunes getting busted is a case of when not if.
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He's obviously in deep with some Russian oligarch that obviously has some dirt on him. Most of his actions to date clearly looks like he's trying desperately to coverup some previous misdeed he undertook as a sitting Congressman.
 
Ramshock said:
Hannity is a tramp
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senorgregster said:
Fox news is hilarious right now. On Manafort. The FBI is the new KGB secret police. They came for him. They knocked through his door. If it could happen to him it could happen to you. :lol:

Note to self... Passport count... 1 check. Ghost authorship with Russians during home arrest due to interaction with Russians.... 0 check. Disposable phones... 0 check. Trips to odd countries.... 0 check.

Not seeing FBI pound on my door yet :(
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To be fair, most people working behind the scenes at Fox News are quietly admitting that the network has gone bat-shit crazy and downright shameful in their defense of Trump.
 
Il Prete Rosso said:
He's obviously in deep with some Russian oligarch that obviously has some dirt on him. Most of his actions to date clearly looks like he's trying desperately to coverup some previous misdeed he undertook as a sitting Congressman.
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I can't stand the man. I can't work out though if he's trying to hid something like you say or if he is just incredibly stupid and incredibly partisan and thinks that working covering the Trump Admin and GOP corruption is the most important thing.
 
Pexbo said:
I can't stand the man. I can't work out though if he's trying to hid something like you say or if he is just incredibly stupid and incredibly partisan and thinks that working covering the Trump Admin and GOP corruption is the most important thing.
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His actions during that white house episode smacked of fear. I'd be amazed if he isn't up to his neck in it somehow.
 
I think Mueller has this thing well under control. At this point he is just moving the pieces into place before dropping some serious truth bombs
 
Raoul said:
I think Mueller has this thing well under control. At this point he is just moving the pieces into place before dropping some serious truth bombs
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Yeah, that's my impression too. There is a lot of smoke out there, and it's hard to believe that there is no fire at this point!
 
Raoul said:
I think Mueller has this thing well under control. At this point he is just moving the pieces into place before dropping some serious truth bombs
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The fact he's largely avoided leaks until now suggests he's running a fairly tight ship, yeah.
 
I'm not sure this is the correct thread but what do people make of this Peter Strzok guy? The right-wingers are all jumping up and down in excitement over this.

 
Zlaatan said:
I'm not sure this is the correct thread but what do people make of this Peter Strzok guy? The right-wingers are all jumping up and down in excitement over this.

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Jordan's a nutter. He's desperately looking for a narrative to muddy the waters. He's the one that was pushing the Uranium One nonsense which was completely shut down by Jeff Sessions of all people at his open hearing which is why they've now moved on to this.

All that is actually known at the moment is that Strzok was removed from Mueller's team after it came to light that he'd sent a text that could be construed as anti-Trump (apparently the text was him making fun of Trump, it wasn't anything sinister). Since that came to light, the Republicans have been going over the Hillary Investigation with a fine tooth comb looking for something untoward to pin on Strzok and the best they could find (in the metadata of a document no less) was that he reworded a line in the report from "grossly negligent" to "extremely careless".

The key fact they are currently omitting is that Comey and his analysts came to the decision that their recommendation was to lambaste Clinton and make clear her decisions were incredibly bad but not to recommend pressing any criminal charges. As such the wording of their report was incredibly important and it will have been someones (or the whole teams) job to ensure that the words represent their conclusion.

It worth investigating of course as people obviously have concerns over it but it's perfectly possible that he was in a meeting with various other agents and they collectively came to an agreement to change that line and it was Strzok that actually typed in the change.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/08/opinion/trumpocalypse-russia-democracy-.html

Thank God we have Sarah Huckabee Sanders as a moral clarion in a crisis. “When you’re attacking F.B.I. agents because you’re under criminal investigation, you’re losing,” she tweeted. Sorry — that was Sarah Huckabee Sanders of a year ago, before she was paid to defend the liar in chief.

Trump’s lawyer, John Dowd, has been busy clearing out more brush, making the preposterous claim that the president cannot obstruct justice because he’s the nation’s chief law enforcement officer. If Trump shot somebody on Fifth Avenue — his own suggested redline — he could, as the nation’s chief law enforcement officer, tell the cops to quash the investigation.

See, when the president does it, it’s not a crime. This defense was floated during the two impeachment episodes of the 20th century. The third time will not be a charm. But Trump’s team already has gone from there is no collusion or obstruction to, so what? If it happened, it’s no biggie.

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They don’t appear to be the least bit troubled by a stunning report from a whistle-blower. As Trump was pledging to put America first during his Inaugural Address, his national security adviser, Michael Flynn, was texting a former business associate serving foreign clients. With Trump in, the sanctions against Russia would be “ripped up,” clearing the way for big money to be made on the inside, according to the report made public Wednesday.

Ignoring that story, Trump’s media wing is doing its job. Sean Hannity, at state-run television, went on a vein-popping rant Tuesday against law enforcement, complete with conspiracy charts. He called the federal authorities “a team of so-called investigators.” As for their boss, he said that “Mueller is frankly a disgrace to the American justice system and has put the country on the brink of becoming a banana republic.” He’s certainly learned the art of projection from his master.

The Wall Street Journal, channeling its owner and Trump whisperer Rupert Murdoch, has been making much of the same case, albeit without the spittle.

Don’t forget, this is the same Robert Mueller who won wide bipartisan praise when he was appointed special counsel: a career prosecutor, the longest-serving director of the F.B.I. since J. Edgar Hoover, awarded the Bronze Star for his service as a Marine in Vietnam. Republicans love him. Or they did until he started closing in on Trump’s closest associates.

Mueller should be fired, the Russian enablers now claim, because one of his agents said some bad things about Trump. This agent, Peter Strzok, was reassigned over the summer, as soon as his comments came to light. Wow, a G-man has opinions. The cops I know, a couple of longstanding friends, have more opinions than I.

The facts are what matter. And the facts are pointing in a very bad direction for the gang that can’t collude straight. Trump has got to be sweating it; he was said to be “seething” when two of his campaign aides were indicted and third pleaded guilty in October. He looked punch-drunk at recent public events.

Now that he’s a felon from a guilty plea last week, Flynn is cooperating with Mueller. He knows plenty. Trump could pardon him and try to bring him back into the fold. The outrage would be minimal among the Banana Republicans. Sure, they got their tax-relief-for-the-rich bill passed, so they may no longer need Trump after he signs it. But now they’re dreaming of more — cutting Medicare and health care for children, so they have a reason to keep him around.

If Trump fires Mueller, he can start the new year clean. His base will stick with him. Though voters believe, by a nearly 2-1 margin, that Russians interfered with the United States election, Republicans do not. Party before country — in the face of a dangerous turn toward authoritarianism, that’s all that matters.
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