Cmoooooon Paul. Wonder what Trump will volcano-tweet about him today.
Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation
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Cmoooooon Paul. Wonder what Trump will volcano-tweet about him today.
Sorry, something I don't understand about the Presidential Pardon. Don't you get a Pardon after you've been found guilty of something and sentenced?
Full charging doc available here
Great stuff. Don’s gonna blow a gasket.
I'm genuinely curious what Manafort offered Mueller in order for the deal to actually take place. It had to be something substantial for Mueller to consider it.
Normally yes, but I think a pardon can also happen during a trial. The downside to that would obviously be that the President could be perceived as attempting to obstruct justice, which may have not been lost on Trump when considering it.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was unrelated to Trump and the Trump Campaign and was invaluable testimony against Russia/Russian Agents/Oligarchs/Banks and whatever/whoever else he was mixed up with in Eastern Europe.
That's possible but I somehow doubt Mueller would've spent this much time attempting to flip Manafort if he didn't already know he was in possession of some very damning information he needed in his pursuit of Trump.
Here it is in full. Dunno how long for...
If true, they are a bunch of crooks. Mind blowingly corrupt.
Any indication that this plea involves cooperation, and is not just Manafort acknowledging that he has little chance of winning the trial while Mueller gets to avoid the hassle of the trial?
Nothing yet, could just be the most open-shut ones he pled to
Am I right in thinking that the two superseding indictments he is pleading guilty to were not among those due to be heard in his second trial? And if so I wonder does that mean the untried indictments could be held as leverage at the state level in case of a pardon.
Sounds like the investigation is more than paying for itself then.
I don’t think this is a negotiated part of the deal as such. I think this is just standard practice and would have all been confiscated had the guilty conclusion come from a verdict rather than a plea.
I'm interepreting this in one of two ways
1. Mueller has everything he needs from Manafort and simply wants to avoid a 2nd trial to preserve his resources.
2. Mueller has a case so strong against Trump that he can't be bothered wasting his time going after Manafort in a second trial and simply wants to finish up with him so he can move on to the likes of Stone, Don Jr. et al.
Either case is very bad for Trump
I don't care what he gives Mueller, I want that traitorous feck to die in jail, ruined and disgraced.
Not bummed....I don't condone prison rape.
Not bummed....I don't condone prison rape.
Looks like he won't die in jail.
Sanders doing her best Baghdad Bob impression.
Oh how I wish Mueller would register a twitter account, tweet @ Drumpf with "Profit, bitch. You're next." and then never tweet again.
Now Mueller has a first person account of the Trump tower meeting with that Russian lawyer and everything Don Jr and Kushner had to do to put it together. This is huge.
46 million into the treasury is nice. They should auction off all his ghastly clothes too.
Yes. Drumpf Jr and Kushner should be a bit nervous about this.
Cooperation confirmed? That is potentially serious.
Cohen has knowledge of the meeting. My guess is Mueller already knows what happened in that meeting.
Won't be enough to to pay for the Orange Cnuts golf trips even for a year.
Would love to see the Trump spawn get put away
That went well.
fecking hell what a day. Take your pardon and shove it
Yeah but Manafort was sitting on the meeting and can testify to what was discussed because Don Jr and daddy claimed it was all about adoptions.
I thought Cohen sat in on it as well?
In anycase, Trump and Rudy will now try to paint Manafort as "not credible".
The question I want answered is why it's taking ages to charge Roger Stone when it's so obvious he's in trouble. Roger Stone says Mueller has not even requested a meeting.
He may potentially want something from Manafort that would implicate Stone even more before proceeding. Altenratively, he could just be laying low due to the elections silence period between Sep and Nov.
Manafort must have stuff on Stone going back to when they had a lobbying firm together. I want that cone-headed muthafecker dying in jail too.