Trump/Russia/SDNY investigation

He's doing the rallies to keep his base on board, not out of fear of getting challenged from within, but to keep sufficient base sentiment on his side as the Mueller investigation starts to close in on him.

That and he's a center of attention seeking ass clown. His life is about selling the carnival show to an audience. He needs the adulation to satisfy his id. He's truly a modern day PT Barnum albeit a much worse human being overall.
 
Ivanka really capable of being a dodgy feck though? Jared / The Venture Drumpf Bros perhaps but Ivanka doesnt strike me as someone who can pull off something illegal.

I'd argue she's second only to her father in her cunning ability. She's been doted by him from an early age and is his favorite.
 
Does a president need to present valid reasons when pardoning someone? If not...why the hell not?
No, it solely at the president’s discretion to pardon federal convictions.

In theory, Trump could write a memo tomorrow pardoning everyone in the US convicted of a federal crime, open the jail doors across the country and enjoy the mayhem. Pardons also cannot be retracted.
 
It's surprising that the person receiving the pardon doesn't even actively need to seek it - like a formal letter requesting pardon. Not sure what the original intent behind such a pardon was..
 
Trump pardoned that scumbag Joe Arpaio who admitted to running concentration camps, no one else is worse than that.
 
It's surprising that the person receiving the pardon doesn't even actively need to seek it - like a formal letter requesting pardon. Not sure what the original intent behind such a pardon was..
Alexander Hamilton’s Federalist Paper #74 is what you seek.

George Mason led the campaign against the pardon power being included in the Constitution, but Hamilton in #74 made the argument that something like a Prerogative of English Kings pardoning power could help a future president in stopping a rebellion.
 
The evidence from Pecker and Weaselberg alone has got to be a fecking gold mine for the Mueller team. :drool:
 
The evidence from Pecker and Weaselberg alone has got to be a fecking gold mine for the Mueller team. :drool:

I honestly don't see any plausible way for Trump to survive this one as any law that was has ever been broken by the Trump organization will come under the microscope.
 
The evidence from Pecker and Weaselberg alone has got to be a fecking gold mine for the Mueller team. :drool:
Shhhh don't say Mueller he's investigating collusion :wenger:


That's why he "handed this over " to the most powerful district attorney office in the entire country:D

The SDNY is going to nail them to the cross and probably test the supreme Court to indict the president :drool:
 
I'm open to suggests as to why this isn't game over for Trump and his kids. Can't think of any reason why it wouldn't be.
Only thing I can think of is Pecker and Allen were given immunity before Cohen place had his office searched. Therefore they only gave testimony about him and the end game was just Cohen.

But even then that still would leave executive - 1 (Don Jnr ) as a Co conspirator and there's absolutely no reason not to indict him.

I really can't see how at the very least Don Jr isn't charged here. And if Don Jnr is charged they have to charge the president as well as he's the one that benefitted from all of this.
 
Alexander Hamilton’s Federalist Paper #74 is what you seek.

George Mason led the campaign against the pardon power being included in the Constitution, but Hamilton in #74 made the argument that something like a Prerogative of English Kings pardoning power could help a future president in stopping a rebellion.

Thanks for this.

So many of these laws were made with the an intent that really generally doesn't apply anymore.
 
Weisselberg getting immunity surely is THE definitive proof justice is set on ensuring the snake completely dies by violently cutting off its very head? I did not expect him to get immunity as well.
 


Weisselberg then sent the invoice to another Trump Organization executive via e-mail directing him to "Please pay from the Trust. Post to legal expenses. Put 'retainer for the months of January and February 2017' in the description."

I wonder who would be executive - 2

Who would have authority to pay from the Trust
 
Weisselberg getting immunity surely is THE definitive proof justice is set on ensuring the snake completely dies by violently cutting off its very head? I did not expect him to get immunity as well.

He didn't just get immunity - he got transactional immunity. As in, he can't be prosecuted by SDNY, Mueller, or any other federal jurisdiction.He must be sitting on a mountain of hard evidence so valuable that the feds gave him the absolute highest form of immunity.
 
He didn't just get immunity - he got transactional immunity. As in, he can't be prosecuted by SDNY, Mueller, or any other federal jurisdiction.He must be sitting on a mountain of hard evidence so valuable that the feds gave him the absolute highest form of immunity.

I love the sound of that. :drool:
 
Who was in charge of the Trump organisation during the campaign...Eric or Don Jr?
Surely only a Trump had authority to access the trust as Weisselberg didn't have that authority?
 
Does a president need to present valid reasons when pardoning someone? If not...why the hell not?
No, but like with most things, Trump is shredding any previous norms with regards to impropriety, decency, and legitimacy. He has shown an eagerness to use the pardon power to help anyone he views as loyal, and nobody in his party is questioning it.
 
I don't like it. He's gonna take the fall and say Trump knew nothing.

He can't take the fall since the prosecutors wouldn't have accepted the immunity agreement without first knowing what Weisselberg had to offer. Part of the agreement is for him to testify exactly what they agreed on or else the immunity agreement will be voided and he could be prosecuted.
 
He can't take the fall since the prosecutors wouldn't have accepted the immunity agreement without first knowing what Weisselberg had to offer. Part of the agreement is for him to testify exactly what they agreed on or else the immunity agreement will be voided and he could be prosecuted.

Fair enough. Let's hope it works out that way.
 
Who was in charge of the Trump organisation during the campaign...Eric or Don Jr?
Surely only a Trump had authority to access the trust as Weisselberg didn't have that authority?
Trump himself. He didn't relinquish his role till January 2017
 
Fair enough. Let's hope it works out that way.
Yeh that's not how immunity works .. Which is slightly different from flipping


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3/ The decision about when to give a witness immunity (versus forcing them to plead guilty and get a deal to “flip”) is a complicated one. If prosecutors didn’t have enough evidence to charge Weisselberg and couldn’t make their case without him, immunity was their only option.




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4/ There can be no question that Weisselberg provided valuable testimony to prosecutors. Prosecutors don’t give immunity “blindly”—they would have required Weisselberg’s attorney to tell them what Weisselberg would say if he testified *before* they gave him immunity.
 
He can't take the fall since the prosecutors wouldn't have accepted the immunity agreement without first knowing what Weisselberg had to offer. Part of the agreement is for him to testify exactly what they agreed on or else the immunity agreement will be voided and he could be prosecuted.

Wouldn't the immunity agreement probably also be contingent on Weisselberg actually giving what he offered? He couldn't just turn around and say "lol, jk".

If I've learned anything from The Shield, and I think I have, it's that you have to give up everything.
 
Trump himself. He didn't relinquish his role till January 2017
That probably settles it then. The money came directly with his authorisation. Probably means he's the executive being g investigated.
How the feck can the USA have a president under criminal investigation and no one in the party is telling him to step aside?