Transformers Revenge of the Fallen

cesc's_mullet said:
Saw it earlier tonight, and I thought it was tremendous.

Firstly I'd just like to say only an idiot wouldn't have been able to follow the story.

And for those who are complaining about a lack of a plot, did you realise it's a movie about HUGE FARQING ROBOTS FIGHTING EACH OTHER? I mean did anyone else notice those huge things blowing shit up? Because I'm pretty sure you don't need some deep seeded plot with political undercurrents when BIG FARQING ROBOTS ARE KICKING THE SHIT OUT OF EACH OTHER WITH SHIT GETTING BLOWN UP.

An really, what more plot do you need than - 'bad guy wants something the good guy has, needs said thing to commit extra bad deeds. Fighting ensues' - when coupling it with the above?

The effects were amazing, and the sound was simply incredible. I'm excited for the future of movies simply because of the quality animation and sound. Though the one thing I didn't like out of it was the parents being at the final battle, it was pointless and didn't make sense. I mean if the Decepticons were going to use them as bait then fair enough, but they didn't, and all of a sudden they were just there too. Rubbish decision on the directors part there.
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Seen this the weekend it came out. What you just said pretty much sums up my entire thoughts on the movie including the parents. Wasn't fond of that part either.
 
SecondFig said:
Absolutely appallingly, mind-rottingly bad movie. Someone needs to put Michael Bay out of his (and our) misery and for God's sake somebody stop him from making such shit movies.
The imdb summary (now sadly removed) pretty much sums up everything that is so very wrong about this movie. For those who didn't read that summary before it was deleted, here it is:

(Stolen from imdb):
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Secondfig that's a fantastically fecking stupid list of questions (I've seen it before) that are on the whole answered by paying attention to the movie.

I'm willing to post a list of rebuttals to those questions or answers to questions for people that came out confused.
 
megan fox is so good looking it pains me to look at her.....

yes she is that hot
 
I thought it was pretty good, a little low on the plot, but overall decent enough; Isabell Lucas was a good addition to the cast.
 
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Okay to start with some of the more obvious ones

And why couldn't an Autobot translate these symbols?

Because Bumblebee is mute and the Racist Twins are poor black robots from the slums of Cybertron who never learned how to read. It's a sad commentary on Cybertronian society. Like The Wire, actually.
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It's the language of the Primes. Ancient. It's like asking the lay person to read ancient latin.

Where the hell are the other Autobots?

I don't know. Away. They seem to be unable to be reached. They're probably grieving about Optimnus still. Clearly, John Turturro is the reasonable solution here.
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The military detained the other Autobots that didn't escape (the only ones that escaped were Bumblebee and the Twins).

Not Optimus?

No! This way, Sam can get the symbols translated... so he can, er... find the ancient machine... that can, uh... possibly bring Optimus back to life.
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Optimus' body, as well as the other Autobots were being detained by the military. Sam couldn't get to him, especially given that he was a fugitive at this point.

Wait, what? Teleports?

Yes, teleports.

Transformers don't teleport.

Jetfire does.
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So did the Fallen. It's called a 'Space Bridge' and it even existed in the original cartoon.

No. No it is not. If they wanted to protect Earth, why did they leave the Matrix on the planet? They're a space-faring race, they could have hid it anywhere in galaxy! Second of all, what the hell does making a tomb of their own bodies do? Shouldn't they have stayed alive to protect the Matrix? Or finish off the Fallen? Or just not die and leave Earth and the entire Transformer race in jeopardy?

Uh...
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The Fallen was more powerful than the other Primes. Making a tomb of their bodies (effectively locking him out and denying him energy) was pretty much their only option at the time.

Of course they do. And I assume the Autobots just mysteriously disappear again until a second before a Decepticon is about to kill Sam.

Yes. Exactly.
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Bumble drives off as a distraction (they go into a dustcloud and the humans get out and BB drives off). The Twins go with Agent Simmons to try and destroy the Sun Harvester.



Those are the easy ones that are given blatant on screen explanation in the movie.
 
SharkyMcShark said:
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Okay to start with some of the more obvious ones



It's the language of the Primes. Ancient. It's like asking the lay person to read ancient latin.



The military detained the other Autobots that didn't escape (the only ones that escaped were Bumblebee and the Twins).



Optimus' body, as well as the other Autobots were being detained by the military. Sam couldn't get to him, especially given that he was a fugitive at this point.



So did the Fallen. It's called a 'Space Bridge' and it even existed in the original cartoon.



The Fallen was more powerful than the other Primes. Making a tomb of their bodies (effectively locking him out and denying him energy) was pretty much their only option at the time.



Bumble drives off as a distraction (they go into a dustcloud and the humans get out and BB drives off). The Twins go with Agent Simmons to try and destroy the Sun Harvester.



Those are the easy ones that are given blatant on screen explanation in the movie.
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Disappointing follow-up.

Only really enjoyed the film when they entered the deserts of the mid-east.
 
SharkyMcShark said:
It's the language of the Primes. Ancient. It's like asking the lay person to read ancient latin.
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How come the little robot that only came into existence during the film, somehow knew loads more about it than the autobots?

Why has Megatron become smaller?
 
I thought the movie was ok, even though the first one was better.
I went to see it knowing what to expect though. Mindless action and Megan Fox :drool:

I thought the first half of the film could/should have been a bit shorter. The second part was far superior.
 
noodlehair said:
How come the little robot that only came into existence during the film, somehow knew loads more about it than the autobots?

Why has Megatron become smaller?
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1. He recognised the language, like some people might recognise latin without being able to read it. Also Wheelie (the little remote control truck) was not one of the robots that was created from appliances by the shard. Allspark energy being used on everyday objects only creates mindless savage robots - for a Transformer to be self concious and sentient they generally have to have a 'spark' (soul/heart), whereas the kitchen appliances did not.

2. He may have become smaller slightly because in the scene where is is resurrected they have cannibalise parts from a small transformer for replacement parts for Megatron
 
SharkyMcShark said:
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Okay to start with some of the more obvious ones



It's the language of the Primes. Ancient. It's like asking the lay person to read ancient latin.



The military detained the other Autobots that didn't escape (the only ones that escaped were Bumblebee and the Twins).



Optimus' body, as well as the other Autobots were being detained by the military. Sam couldn't get to him, especially given that he was a fugitive at this point.



So did the Fallen. It's called a 'Space Bridge' and it even existed in the original cartoon.



The Fallen was more powerful than the other Primes. Making a tomb of their bodies (effectively locking him out and denying him energy) was pretty much their only option at the time.



Bumble drives off as a distraction (they go into a dustcloud and the humans get out and BB drives off). The Twins go with Agent Simmons to try and destroy the Sun Harvester.



Those are the easy ones that are given blatant on screen explanation in the movie.
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Thanks sharky.
I knew about the space bridges, but didn't realize that thats what teleport was.
 
SharkyMcShark said:
Optimus' body, as well as the other Autobots were being detained by the military. Sam couldn't get to him, especially given that he was a fugitive at this point.
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But wouldnt it have made more sense for Sam to tell the military that he has a piece of the shard that could bring him to life and defeat the fallen instead of travelling around to find this 'matrix' that could bring Prime back to life? I mean what if the matrix didnt spark prime back to life, sam just wasted the shard to bring Jetfire back from the dead. Also that special unit were more than ready to take Optimus' body to Eygpt i think they would have been happy to do it a easier way...

SharkyMcShark said:
The Fallen was more powerful than the other Primes. Making a tomb of their bodies (effectively locking him out and denying him energy) was pretty much their only option at the time.
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But wasnt the whole point of reviving Optimus so he could defeat the Fallen, i think it was Jetfire who said only a Prime could defeat the Fallen - are we to believe the 7 or so other Primes all those years ago couldnt take on the Fallen because Optimus made pretty easy work of him (he also took on Megatron at the same time and still came out a winner - before you say it yes i know Jetfire gave his life to give Optimus more power but it seems lazy story telling that the only thing the 7 Primes from before were lacking a little extra power... I mean it would have been 7 vs 1). Making a tomb of their dead bodies that could one day be found is just odd, more so when you consider that it only took one shot from Bubbleby to make a hole through their bodies and find the Matrix

SharkyMcShark said:
Bumble drives off as a distraction (they go into a dustcloud and the humans get out and BB drives off). The Twins go with Agent Simmons to try and destroy the Sun Harvester.
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Still wasnt much of a distraction because while they were hiding in the house they were very nearly caught, would have made more sense to drive as quick they can to Prime to revive him.

I suppose all these things were vital to making the movie more enjoyable and longer but i just found it to be a bit of lazy writing, but it is a M. Bay movie at the end of the day... "feck story add another explosion!"
 
OneUnited24 said:
But wouldnt it have made more sense for Sam to tell the military that he has a piece of the shard that could bring him to life and defeat the fallen instead of travelling around to find this 'matrix' that could bring Prime back to life? I mean what if the matrix didnt spark prime back to life, sam just wasted the shard to bring Jetfire back from the dead. Also that special unit were more than ready to take Optimus' body to Eygpt i think they would have been happy to do it a easier way...
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He was a fugitive. Galloway (that annoying government agent) had said that the government were considering giving him over to Megatron. The special unit you refer to (NEST) had been shut down by that point in the film. In addition to that, the NEST team had to pretty much defy orders and dupe a superior to get to Egypt before the governments of the world realised what was going on and woke up.

Also, as was shown by the resurrection of Megatron, it isn't just a matter of throwing the shard of the Allspark at whatever you want to fix - Megatron still needed repairs and parts, and given how fecked up Prime got in that battle in the forest he'd still need to have been extensively repaired before the Allspark would have worked like that.

The only reason it worked first time on Jetfire is because he was entirely intact.

OneUnited24 said:
But wasnt the whole point of reviving Optimus so he could defeat the Fallen, i think it was Jetfire who said only a Prime could defeat the Fallen - are we to believe the 7 or so other Primes all those years ago couldnt take on the Fallen because Optimus made pretty easy work of him (he also took on Megatron at the same time and still came out a winner - before you say it yes i know Jetfire gave his life to give Optimus more power but it seems lazy story telling that the only thing the 7 Primes from before were lacking a little extra power... I mean it would have been 7 vs 1). Making a tomb of their dead bodies that could one day be found is just odd, more so when you consider that it only took one shot from Bubbleby to make a hole through their bodies and find the Matrix
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In fairness The Fallen had an army back then, as was shown in the flashbacks - it was hardly one to one combat with him and the Primes, and as both this and the previous movie showed Primes are not invincible in combat.

OneUnited24 said:
Still wasnt much of a distraction because while they were hiding in the house they were very nearly caught, would have made more sense to drive as quick they can to Prime to revive him.

I suppose all these things were vital to making the movie more enjoyable and longer but i just found it to be a bit of lazy writing, but it is a M. Bay movie at the end of the day... "feck story add another explosion!"
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Yeah it was a shit distraction, but it was given enough exposition in the film as being a distraction (Simmons pointed for them to drive into the dust cloud, they bailed and he told Bumblebee to go and distract them).


Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed the movie (went opening night with a large group of mates) but I'm more than happy to discuss it's faults, which I believe were down to poor editting and exposition mainly (as demonstrated by your questions above some things in the move weren't really explained that well).
 
SharkyMcShark said:
Also, as was shown by the resurrection of Megatron, it isn't just a matter of throwing the shard of the Allspark at whatever you want to fix - Megatron still needed repairs and parts, and given how fecked up Prime got in that battle in the forest he'd still need to have been extensively repaired before the Allspark would have worked like that.

The only reason it worked first time on Jetfire is because he was entirely intact.
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I suppose that makes sense but i thought it was a little weird how at the end he seemed like he had lost all Jetfires parts and still seemed up and about. Megatron needed repairs but he managed to fly from the surface of the sea to the fallens ship even with all that damage of sea pressure and damage from the first movie but Optimus could barely stand which makes you wonder if he still would have been able to take the fallen had Sam just used the shard on him in the first place - i mean wasnt he weak because we saw him siting in his ship saying only Prime could stop him. Perhaps im just looking into it far too much.

SharkyMcShark said:
In fairness The Fallen had an army back then, as was shown in the flashbacks - it was hardly one to one combat with him and the Primes, and as both this and the previous movie showed Primes are not invincible in combat.
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I am sure the Primes must have had some sort of following to combat the fallens army.

SharkyMcShark said:
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed the movie (went opening night with a large group of mates) but I'm more than happy to discuss it's faults, which I believe were down to poor editting and exposition mainly (as demonstrated by your questions above some things in the move weren't really explained that well).
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I thought it was good for what it was, a summer blockbuster with tons of explosions and fancy CGI but overall i was left a little disappointed by it, i went in expecting a Micheal Bay type of movie but there was something about this movie that i didnt like (and i thought this one was better then the first one! But cant put my finger on what that "something" is could be the bad acting and cheezy lines - "I rise you fall"...)
 
Sorry but I don't get how people love this. Yes, I adored the cartoons and collected the toys when I was a kid.

But I am 30 now and don't mean to sound like an old fart but there's a million better movies out there, IMHO.
 
Plan M said:
Sorry but I don't get how people love this. Yes, I adored the cartoons and collected the toys when I was a kid.

But I am 30 now and don't mean to sound like an old fart but there's a million better movies out there, IMHO.
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yeah i kinda agree

its strange to hear people near-obsessed with a half-decent movie about a race of nice robots with feelings and a race of evil robots
 
buckooo1978 said:
yeah i kinda agree

its strange to hear people near-obsessed with a half-decent movie about a race of nice robots with feelings and a race of evil robots
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Transformers is more than just this movie chum.

25 years worth of shows, toys, movies, comic books, novels, and forum arguments generally mean that things tend to build up large and knowledgeable followings.
 
:lol: @ chum

I see the OP's point, yes. But I just don't buy into the whole "franchise" thing when it comes to film. Star Wars, Star Trek and Transformers to name a few. I want a real movie with a real plot, hence my love for Scorsese and Larry Clark's direction and input.

Films like Transformers are great for my 5 years old nephew though.
 
OneUnited24 said:
But wouldnt it have made more sense for Sam to tell the military that he has a piece of the shard that could bring him to life and defeat the fallen instead of travelling around to find this 'matrix' that could bring Prime back to life? I mean what if the matrix didnt spark prime back to life, sam just wasted the shard to bring Jetfire back from the dead. Also that special unit were more than ready to take Optimus' body to Eygpt i think they would have been happy to do it a easier way...



But wasnt the whole point of reviving Optimus so he could defeat the Fallen, i think it was Jetfire who said only a Prime could defeat the Fallen - are we to believe the 7 or so other Primes all those years ago couldnt take on the Fallen because Optimus made pretty easy work of him (he also took on Megatron at the same time and still came out a winner - before you say it yes i know Jetfire gave his life to give Optimus more power but it seems lazy story telling that the only thing the 7 Primes from before were lacking a little extra power... I mean it would have been 7 vs 1). Making a tomb of their dead bodies that could one day be found is just odd, more so when you consider that it only took one shot from Bubbleby to make a hole through their bodies and find the Matrix



Still wasnt much of a distraction because while they were hiding in the house they were very nearly caught, would have made more sense to drive as quick they can to Prime to revive him.

I suppose all these things were vital to making the movie more enjoyable and longer but i just found it to be a bit of lazy writing, but it is a M. Bay movie at the end of the day... "feck story add another explosion!"
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Was my feelings on the movie.

I fecking hate Michael Bay, and sadly I fecking hated both this and the first Transformers movie - which is a shame because I loved the cartoon as a kid, and the original (animated) Transformers The Movie was fecking awesome. Michael Bay on the other hand has no artistry, imagination or craft whatsoever and simply produces movies with military units, lots of explosions and the occasional bit of scantily clad hot woman. The fact that this fulfils so many people's movie going needs is just a sad indictment of the masses.
 
golden_blunder said:
I'll tell you what, it was miles better than the new Terminator movie
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Personally i thought the opposite and cant really understand where all this hate for the new Terminator movie got, i mean it was far better than T3! But both lagged behind Star Trek which is supprising
 
mate, watching a piece of shit float in a bucket for 2 hours would be better than watching T3.

T4 was only marginally better, biggest load of boring bollocks i've ever seen, interspersed with Christian Bale doing his Tom Cruise shout a lot to wake you up every now and again
 
Sharky, did you wtach it at iMax?

I went to Sydney for the weekend, and saw it there.... we went 10 mins early and had to sit in row 2...... It was the most painful expereince ever.... I got so dizzy from it...
 
Plan M said:
Sorry but I don't get how people love this. Yes, I adored the cartoons and collected the toys when I was a kid.

But I am 30 now and don't mean to sound like an old fart but there's a million better movies out there, IMHO.
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But thats what you have to do. Imagine when you were a kid and somebody said, New live action Transformers!!!!. You'd have made the sex mess in your pants numerous times.

It's like what Richard Hammond always says about super cars. Don't think of them as an adult, but as a 12 year old boy how would you feel at that age.
 
You have to see it at imax. The whole point of the movie is for it to be epic, so why not make it even more epic by seeing it on a screen which you have to move your eyes around on?

By the way, does anyone know what the additional content at imax is?
 
Smash-E said:
Sharky, did you wtach it at iMax?

I went to Sydney for the weekend, and saw it there.... we went 10 mins early and had to sit in row 2...... It was the most painful expereince ever.... I got so dizzy from it...
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Not yet. We went to book imax tickets for opening night but a week before the premier all they had left were the front two rows at the 9 30 pm session, so yeah for the reason above we just went for a normal cinema.

A bunch of us have been meaning to go and back and see it on iMax but we haven't got around to it yet.
 
JezChan said:
You have to see it at imax. The whole point of the movie is for it to be epic, so why not make it even more epic by seeing it on a screen which you have to move your eyes around on?

By the way, does anyone know what the additional content at imax is?
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As far as I know this time around there isn't actually any additional content in terms of new scenes, but that in some scenes (mainly fighting) the angle is wider and you can see more than on a normal screen.
 
marchi-91 said:
But thats what you have to do. Imagine when you were a kid and somebody said, New live action Transformers!!!!. You'd have made the sex mess in your pants numerous times.

It's like what Richard Hammond always says about super cars. Don't think of them as an adult, but as a 12 year old boy how would you feel at that age.
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That was what I found really sad, because when I heard they were making a live-action Transformers, I was really excited, and childhood memories of gazing covetously at the Scorpinox and Metroplex toys drifted back to me, memories of thinking Rodimus Prime was cool (instead of being gay, which he clearly was) came back to me. Memories of my first Transformer (Blur) came back to me...

And that's what pisses me off, not only did Michael Bay (imo - and I recognise there are many here that enjoyed it) make a shit movie when judged purely as an exercise in cinematography or movie making, but for me he also made something that completely failed to build upon, evoke or in any way remind me of treasured child hood memories of Transformers being awesome.
 
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