Wow, they really are getting plundered to death!! Leaving the pathway clear for PSG to dominate this season.
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Wow, they really are getting plundered to death!! Leaving the pathway clear for PSG to dominate this season.
That cannot be true because it makes zero fecking sense at all.
The problem here is that their situations affect the fee, if they were important first eleven players, they would be invaluable but they aren't really starters for us, so probably 60m-70m. Dembélé on the other end is a starter and arguably their most important creative player.
Then when Mourinho goes to strengthen next summer and clubs start demanding €100 million+ for average players like Perisic and we can't afford them it will be then people realise how much PSG have fecked up football.
Wow, that's 13% a Neymar.
It has nothing to do with PSG, players are still going for normal fees just look at Schick's reported fee.
People were saying the same last season about Pogba's fee, but Neymar's really does take it another level. However from a PSG POV, who cares? It's better for them as they effectively pricelock the majority of others teams out of the top players. However I doubt clubs are going to start demanding 100m for mid-tier players like Perisic. It's either the top players, or players deemed to have potential to get to the top that will have inflated fees reaching the 100m mark.
And yet everyone here is telling me €180 million for Mbappe is fine and €150 million for Dembele is fine too....
got to love this place it's hilarious, role on next summer I love 'I told you so's'Not sure why people are complaining about PSG driving up the price of players when we are just as guilty. When a superstar moves for a record fee, average players price goes up as well. We created a world record when we sold Ronaldo to Real Madrid, we created a new world record when we purchased Pogba, and we broke that when we signed Lukaku (yes, with the very achievable add on's that fee will be higher than Pogba's). I bet if Mbappe was willing to come to United, Woody would easily fork out what Monaco is asking for.
Pogba's fee was pretty much in line with previous big fees, and Pogba was a pretty outstanding player, more of a finished product than what prices are rumored these days for unproven players still. The Neymar deal completely ruined the market.
If Juventus had Pogba now, he'd move for about 160-180m if not more. Oil money has made 1 talented, yet unproven player (at the highest level) be worth about half of a 90.000 seats luxury stadium.
And yet everyone here is telling me €180 million for Mbappe is fine and €150 million for Dembele is fine too....
The problem is that you can't understand that market value can and will be altered by the context. Monaco or Dortmund don't need the money, they need the players and these players won't be replaced this summer because there is no one comparable and available. So if a club wants those players, he will have to pay way more than their actual value.
And yet everyone here is telling me €180 million for Mbappe is fine and €150 million for Dembele is fine too....
Well no one has actually paid €180m for Mbappe or €150m for Dembele yet. We're refusing to meet Perisics valuation as it is now so clearly there's a limit even for wealthy clubs like us. I don't think most fans think it's fine at all, just that these are the prices in the context of the market as it is now.
Pogba has still taken a lot of stick though even from supposed 'neutral' fans. I suppose that's more to do with him not scoring a 40 yard screamer every other game though.
I agree the Neymar deal has drastically change the market. But it's only a positive for PSG because they as I said can pricelock everyone else. It's the lower teams that suffer he consequences. I don't see anyone breaking that world record for a little while though so hopefully the market stabilises a bit even if at these crazy values.
Gareth Bale > Real Madrid = £85.7 million
Paul Pogba > Manchester United = £89.3 million
Lukaku > Manchester United = £75 million + bonuses = appox £90 million
So we inflated the market by a whopping £5 million!
The market needs fixing, a cap introducing, it isn't sustainable at this level of inflation.
There is no market, that market is a fantasy.
Taking offence for pointing out the obvious? United have done this for the last 50 years, if it's by a penny or a few million, we are responsible for a lot of transfer records being broken so why b!tch about it now?
PSG will get the best players if those players value money as the no1 criteria, and that are most players tbh. PSG has the most money, they have no rules to follow, so they can actually get the best players as long as those players don't make it clear they want to play for a specific club.
Oil clubs who don't have rules to follow will get the most out of an inflated market. Which is why they try to inflate the market in the first place, so they make big historical clubs like Barca, Madrid, Bayern, United drop off due to the lack of money criteria. PSG know they can't compete with other big clubs at pretty much anything except for money, so their plan is to make the money difference so clear and undeniable, that it instantly becomes the no1 criteria, the one that makes every other factor (club prestige, league value etc.) pale in comparison. That's their plan, and they will execute it until someone makes a move to stop them. Selling clubs won't make a move because they are to benefit from this. UEFA won't makea move either probably. It's up to the big clubs to get together and shut them out, or we'll get to watch CL finals between Sheikh X's team vs Emir Y's team.
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No I believe I pointed out the obvious, your post was utter nonsense.
Real Madrid have set the benchmark for inflation for over a decade now PSG will continue it.
And yet everyone here is telling me €180 million for Mbappe is fine and €150 million for Dembele is fine too....
They're like paying roughly £30m for Rooney at the time. Young players who are viewed as the next potential superstars and therefore worth paying this premium. Doesn't mean the likes of Lewis Cook, Andreas Christensen, Kasper Dolberg, or even Renato Sanches who are still viewed as great young talents but below the level of the Mbappes, Dembeles, or Jesus of the world will all be moving for over £100m.
Mbappe was already being talked about for over £120m before there was any mention of Neymar this summer so I don't think it's just down to the Neymar transfer that these prices have risen. Honestly, I think it's just a natural progression of the continuous increase in commercialisation going into football. I don't really believe there's a major problem with the best players in the world only being sold for insane fees. I don't agree with players like Walker moving for £50m though. There should be a bigger gap between top players/players who are irreplaceable to their team and players who are good players for their team but could still be replaced with a player of similar or slightly lower ability.
I also don't think the Pogba fee was similar to other fees at the time because the other players sold for similar amounts had been attacking players who would contribute huge goal/assist numbers. Pogba's fee was much higher than any fee for a cm who doesn't contribute 20+ goals/assists each season. Zidane was probably the best comparison when he went to Real for £46m despite not offering huge numbers of goals/assists. Not saying he's not worth it but if you're going to criticise the Neymar transfer it's only fair to criticise the Pogba transfer too. I don't have a problem with either transfer for what it's worth.
Check how many times United have broken the British transfer record and then come back and talk.
Rumors are rumors and actual transfers are actual transfers. There are many talks in the media, but when the transfers are done, hypothesis become facts. Pogba's transfer was not that surprising for me. A great player, one of the best midfielders in the world, a player who has played at a great level for a lot of time. And his transfer figure is close to transfers figures from the past, at around 100m. The 100m. mark has been the mark of great transfers. Until PSG came and double it and then some.
Zidane wasn't that attacking, as you very well say. He was a midfielder as well. If Iniesta would've moved, he would've cost around 100m. as well. He wasn't a forward either.
There is a big difference between the Pogba and Neymar transfers. Pogba's is in line with the normal state of the market. Neymar is a new era of football transfers in comparison. The deal involving this player for PSG is more than 500m. according to the media. Pogba isn't even on the same planet imo. This is more than double the previous trasnfer record. Can't really be compared.
Yup that exactly it. Money gives them a way to keep up with the historic clubs. Clubs like United and Barca have traditionally relied on bringing players through the youth system, but the pressures to staying a top club forces you to spend to accelerate the process of building a team. I don't believe in keeping the historic top clubs above the rest, and there needs to be ways for the others to level the playing field but certainly something needs to be done about the current situation.
I'm not sure the answer is a transfer cap per se, but rather cap the amount a team can spend in one window. Anyway I don't wish to get into too long winded a discussion in the Tweet thread.
Who would that be?
I'm surprised a big club hasn't snatch Pulisic up. He is a real talent and will probably bring a top fee for Dortmund if sold. If they can keep him this season and he has a good showing at the WC, I can see him moving to a top European team. I'd love it United took a punt on him.
Isn't Pulisic a United fan?
No clue. I looked a couple of months ago because it was mentioned somewhere but I couldn't find anything where he named dropped United. No childhood pictures of him in a United shirt or anything.
You do make sense and then, at the same time, you don't. There's breaking the league's records over time to buy 1 player per season, while investing less into younger talent; and there's systematically overpaying for average players, thanks to inflation, thanks to more money in football. Just breaking a league record can't be judged out of context. Chelsea and City were buying players too once the money came but they didn't break the market per se. There is a reason Barca put that clause at 200+m, thinking it's way out of reach for the market...my 2p
Would be fun to watch Barca activating some Madrid player's clause
Check how many times Real Madrid have broken the World transfer record....
Rooney was his favourite player.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.da...ster-United-fan-loves-watch-Wayne-Rooney.html
These lot come up with some "confirmed" transfers every other day it feels like. How many have they actually got right?
Anyone got 50mins to spare?
Rashford is a good player but is no where comparable to Dembele. Rashford has improved because of hard work but I don't think he's naturally talented as Dembele or Mbappe. Rashford has a long way to go and will need to work really hard this season and prove himself.
This pic looked so good I thought for a second that it was an official presentation
Lol. Obviously my Google skills sucked.
He's still unproven at the highest levels for me. One season at BVB finishing third does not make him a EUR 130m player.