Transfer Tweets - Summer 2017 | Keep it on topic

I'm personally all for both being sold. I don't trust them to stay fit or consistent throughout a season.

Bailly, Rojo, Lindelof and Blind is enough for me, we also have Tuanzebe if we find ourselves in an injury crisis.

Rojo isnt due back for a while and Shaw is injured and unpredictable with his form. That leaves us needing to play Blind at LB for the start of the season in. Darmian would be cover for both full backs. I doubt we will sell both Jones and Smalling without replacing them. Maybe we sell one but not two. Especially with our injury record and who knows how Lindelof will take to the league.
 
Rojo isnt due back for a while and Shaw is injured and unpredictable with his form. That leaves us needing to play Blind at LB for the start of the season in. Darmian would be cover for both full backs. I doubt we will sell both Jones and Smalling without replacing them. Maybe we sell one but not two. Especially with our injury record and who knows how Lindelof will take to the league.

You are most like right that we won't sell both, but. -

Young can cover for Valencia, he has been decent there. I think Darmian will start as our LB next season.

We can afford to discard both imo, trim the squad down to the perfect size and give Tuanzebe some opportunities.

But okay, it doesn't hurt to keep one of them, preferably Smalling as he is the most fit between him and Jones. Smalling will probably go though, as reported by the journos.
 
Neither should be sold until Rojo makes a full recovery. We can sell one of them in January if Lindelof looks good.
Agree with you.

Nightmare scenario is Lindelof takes a long time to adjust or flops completely, and Rojo comes back at a lower level to last seasons excellent form.

Too much risk there for us to sell either right now (especially as both of them are also quite injury prone).
 
Rojo isnt due back for a while and Shaw is injured and unpredictable with his form. That leaves us needing to play Blind at LB for the start of the season in. Darmian would be cover for both full backs. I doubt we will sell both Jones and Smalling without replacing them. Maybe we sell one but not two. Especially with our injury record and who knows how Lindelof will take to the league.

Does Dier count as home grown? If he is then he is making more sense to me. English and can play in defence.

About LB, I so much want to see Mitchell tried there at least as a back up.
 
Does Dier count as home grown? If he is then he is making more sense to me. English and can play in defence.

About LB, I so much want to see Mitchell tried there at least as a back up.

Nope not homegrown, which makes it even more hard to stomach his price. Both Lukaku and Pogba are though.
 
Well, don't wanna be a party pooper, but Herrera started like 25 games as #6 and 16 as #8, so… you're wrong.

Not sure how you got your stats but I was more focused on the league. He played 24 times as a CM and 12 time s as a DM according to whoscored.com. Interestingly, his only goal and 7 assists came when he played CM. Herrera is far better going forward than defending. It will be a mistake to fix him in a DM position.

If, as you claim, he played more as a DM, that has to be one of the important reasons we struggled to score goals.
 
I'm personally all for both being sold. I don't trust them to stay fit or consistent throughout a season.

Bailly, Rojo, Lindelof and Blind is enough for me, we also have Tuanzebe if we find ourselves in an injury crisis.

Rojo isn't fit and is coming back from a serious injury. We should be keeping one rather than selling both.
 
Nope not homegrown, which makes it even more hard to stomach his price. Both Lukaku and Pogba are though.

He plays for England how can he not be homegrown? Not saying you're wrong but this is baffling.
 
He plays for England how can he not be homegrown? Not saying you're wrong but this is baffling.

Homegrown not about nationality but how long you've spent being trained in England before a certain age, 18 I think but not certain on age cut off.
 
Nope not homegrown
Need offical proof on this, not some jurno!

He plays for England how can he not be homegrown? Not saying you're wrong but this is baffling.
Exactly,

how can someone born in england playing for england holding an english passport not be english? And yes it is that simple. He may have served his time in Portugal but surely he'd fall into the bracket of being both. Where if he chose to play for Portugal he'd be considered homegrown for them but as british he is naturalised.
 
Need offical proof on this, not some jurno!

Exactly,

how can someone born in england playing for england holding an english passport not be english? And yes it is that simple. He may have served his time in Portugal but surely he'd fall into the bracket of being both. Where if he chose to play for Portugal he'd be considered homegrown for them but as british he is naturalised.
Because it doesnt work like that:

A Home Grown player will be defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).

Clubs are able to supplement their squads with unlimited additional players under the age of 21 on 1st January in the year in which the season commences.
 
This is why we need Brexit. Bloody EU telling us that good British players can't qualify as homegrown just because they moved to another country at a young age...
 
Need offical proof on this, not some jurno!

Exactly,

how can someone born in england playing for england holding an english passport not be english? And yes it is that simple. He may have served his time in Portugal but surely he'd fall into the bracket of being both. Where if he chose to play for Portugal he'd be considered homegrown for them but as british he is naturalised.
Because he's not home grown. He wasn't brought up in the English football system. Which is what homegrown status is. Simple. His nationality doesn't matter, it doesn't matter for any footballer, just whether they were formed in the English system.
 
Need offical proof on this, not some jurno!

Exactly,

how can someone born in england playing for england holding an english passport not be english? And yes it is that simple. He may have served his time in Portugal but surely he'd fall into the bracket of being both. Where if he chose to play for Portugal he'd be considered homegrown for them but as british he is naturalised.

I think you have no clue what homegrown means. You are talking about nationality and being eligible to play for the national team of England which he is because he has the english nationality.

Homegrown status means:

A Home Grown player will be defined as one who, irrespective of his nationality or age, has been registered with any club affiliated to the Football Association or the Football Association of Wales for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or 36 months prior to his 21st birthday (or the end of the season during which he turns 21).

Eric Dier despite being of english nationality does not qualify as homegrown because he came through the youth ranks of Sporting and has not been registered for 36 months with a club affiliated to the english football system prior to his 21st birthday. So not homegrown.

But players like Pogba, Lukaku, Fabregas despite not being of english nationality were brought up in the academies of United, Chelsea and Arsenal from a young age and they do meet the criteria for being homegrown. They however do not meet the criteria to play for the english national team as they do not qualify to get the english nationality.

So nationality and being homegrown or not they are 2 different things that are not related at all.
 



What the article from Le 10 says is this:

Selon certaines indiscrétions récupérées par le 10 Sport, c’est dans la journée de samedi que Dani Alves et le PSG ont trouvé un accord contractuel. Jusqu’à maintenant, l’arrière droit brésilien était en négociation avancée avec Manchester City, mais il n’avait pas donné son accord au club anglais. Alerté de l’accord trouvé avec Paris, les Citizens ont tenté une relance de dernière minute, allant jusqu’à proposer un salaire de 18 millions d’euros bruts par mois au Brésilien. Mais hier, Dani Alves a repoussé l’offre de City et confirmé son accord avec le PSG.

This is the smoking gun source? No quotes but certain indescreet info that City came back with a gross 18 million per month offer but rejected, sounds credible :rolleyes:
 
£39.8m. So pathetically desperate for it to be known they paid under £40m. If United signed him they'd lump in all of the add-ons and his entire wage and the price of his Grandmother's antique clock and announce "United have agreed a £71m fee for Bakayo..."

When we sign a player the add-ons are part of the headline fee. When Chelsea sign one it's the actual fee plus mere mention of unspecified add-ons in brackets.
 
£39.8m. So pathetically desperate for it to be known they paid under £40m. If United signed him they'd lump in all of the add-ons and his entire wage and the price of his Grandmother's antique clock and announce "United have agreed a £71m fee for Bakayo..."

When we sign a player the add-ons are part of the headline fee. When Chelsea sign one it's the actual fee plus mere mention of unspecified add-ons in brackets.

Was going to say this, the reporting of add-ons seems very selective from journos. Strange
 
£39.8m. So pathetically desperate for it to be known they paid under £40m. If United signed him they'd lump in all of the add-ons and his entire wage and the price of his Grandmother's antique clock and announce "United have agreed a £71m fee for Bakayo..."

When we sign a player the add-ons are part of the headline fee. When Chelsea sign one it's the actual fee plus mere mention of unspecified add-ons in brackets.

This is so true...