Do you mean in 2015?
It was more like his first few games he was decent as opposed to a few months.
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Do you mean in 2015?
It was more like his first few games he was decent as opposed to a few months.
Thats what Ronaldo has morphed into though. Similar transitions. Do they see him as the long term replacement for Ronaldo then maybe?
There's nothing wrong with fans having their own opinion on prospective targets. It's ridiculous to hold a permanent/default position of 'well the manager wants him, so what do I know?'.
Did the entire caf want us to sign Fellaini instead of Thiago?
Did the entire caf want us to sign Fellaini instead of Thiago?
I dont know much about him so I never participated in the thread.
I don't think Perisic is a sideways move, none of those you listed are even wingers. It would be massive for our shape and balance alone to just have a proper winger. Regardless of how you rate Perisic, we desperately need to stop playing strikers or no 10s on the wing.
I agree with the rest though, neither Morata nor Lindelof will massively improve us immediately although I think both could become future stars and in a few years will prove to be extremely good signings. It seems unlikely that Morata will replace all of Ibra's goals and unless we sign another attacker I could see this season being another battle for top 4.
I think our squad looks to be set up very nicely for the future but this season we may not have enough guys in their prime yet to really compete
True, and every his move will be highlighted. Also, most of our big name signings in recent years have flopped. If he signs, I'm not sure in the end if he will be very good buy for us or not, but I'm quite certain that on the field we will get much more from him than we got from Di Maria.
He is only a striker. I don't know why he was thought of as otherwise
There is even less wrong with people questioning why people hold that opinion. It is a forum after all...
It would help matters if people actually stated a reason rather than "hes gash" or "Do not want" with no reasoning or analysis so they should prepare to be called out on it. Also the "default position" is perfectly reasonable as the manger does know far better than us on what he wants and why he wants it. Thats just people using reasoning skills because they all know that we all have dismissed a player for whatever reason who turned out to be a good signing etc...
I would not call it ridiculous and no one here has stated that people are not allowed to have an opinion just be prepared to be questioned about it especially if its a flippant one.
He works the channels allot. I don't think he is an out and out central forward?
Valencia is first choice RB. Jose has been playing Darmian at LB because of Shaw going backwards.
I think that's the core issues sorted. I would like an attacking leftback as well as an option to play along with Martial and to be able to alternate between right and left.
I'm a bit concerned Mkhi doesn't gel well with Valencia. Mata and Herrera have worked it out in the LvG days but don't think TonyVs fullback eyeballing works well with Mkhi.
That was exactly the point I'm making.
If we ever want to get to that level again we can't just be making do with our fair share of average players. They need to be moved on/upgraded. Hopefully Jose will address that over the next couple of seasons.People's willingness to give the manager the benefit of the doubt is correlated with their confidence in the manager and his track record.
Our opinion has nothing to do with the manager's. Of course, it is a reasonable default when discussing a player we may have no knowledge on. But a player you have watched yourself, you may well think he's good or bad, that's normal.
There's nothing wrong with questioning someone's opinion on why they don't want a player either, that is fair enough. It is ridiculous (I use that word again) to question it on the mere basis that it is different from the manager's (reported) opinion. That is irrelevant.
Probably people playing FM - he's listed as a winger on there. He is a striker but guess with some of his goals coming from a wide position, some people think he's a winger rather than a striker who moves around.
Nothing to do with the manager. Ultimately, the manager will sign who he signs regardless of what any of us discuss, of course.
That said, we are basically telling football watchers to think a player is good because someone else does. Which again, is ridiculous.
Nobody would have a problem with a poster not rating Perisič if United were not linked with him. He's not some generally accepted top player.
Personally, I am indifferent about us signing him, it's this notion that I thought was wrong, is all.
Yes I agree that it is ridiculous to do that. I can't imagine more than a handful of people have done that. It's usual for people to do so when they are replying to a stupid comment about a player with no reason given for why they think he is "gash" or "shit that won't flush". People won't take the time out to give a decent response to stuff like that because it does not deserver it. So I can see why some people might get in a huff and wheel out the old "well if the manger wants him" etc...
Down to the managers at the time not the players. Pogba, Ibra, Mkhi have not flopped. Di Maria would have been excellent under Mourinho.
Our defence and midfield are already very good. That's why our defensive record was amongst the best in Europe for a while, and why we went on such a long unbeaten run.
The issue has been the attack. And, more specifically, how the attackers work as a unit. The talent was already there - Zlatan + the best player from the German League + a couple of the most talented youngsters in world football + a player in Mata who's been the most productive midfielder in England over the last few years. There's enough talent there for title winning combination. But, for whatever reason, they don't gel well together.
Sideways moves aren't a bad thing. Bacon, lettuce and tomato work together. Cheese, peanut butter and chilli peppers don't.
you might have missed my last post. Do you think that if Madrid do sign him that he will be there to replace Ronaldo in the long term since he (Ronaldo) has operated allot in that central forward position?
Anyone see where the transfer tweet thread got moved to?
All the more reason to have little more faith with this one.
On paper most of the players we're in for look underwhelming but anyone who's seen them play more than 5 times, know they will improve us massively in different areas. I'm excited for the season ahead.
Ah yeah, sorry I get a few alerts. On paper, Ronaldo has mainly been LF under Zidane, with Benzema as the ST but Ronaldo moves around. Got no idea how they intend to use Mbappe, but with Ronaldo as his idol maybe they do see him as the long term option. I think it'd be better to have Mbappe in Benzema's position but Zidane really likes Benzema.
Hahaha yeah i hope so too!
Why do people come into this thread and moan about who we may or may not sign
If it bothers you that much go to the Jose thread and moan in there all day long
Keep your insecurities out of this thread please, Jose been a manager for nearly
20 years and won nearly 25 trophies i think he knows what he is doing.
If it bothers you that much go to the Jose thread and moan in there all day long
Keep your insecurities out of this thread please, Jose been a manager for nearly
20 years and won nearly 25 trophies i think he knows what he is doing.
Should be the opposite really.
I think at this point it doesnt really matter what people think, best to accept it and move on and see how he does for us
Why do people still think that Martial is a striker? He has been best as a winger, having only played a striker in his first few months at the club.
Well regardless, he wasn't exactly great as a winger either last season. If people think Martial would be a better option than Perisic they really need to think that through. Martial, for whatever reason, didn't recreate his form of his first season and relying on him in the LW position would be extremely foolish
He is.
Lindelof is a big improvement on Rojo, the quality Jose is probably looking at is he's ball playing quality. His stats prove he is up there with the best, He's short and long balls have a high success rate. Regarding Perisic id rather we didn't and Morata has the potential. Fabinho I'm with you and think he can be the signing of the window IF we get him!
And very well at that. If our squad wasn't so poor at the time, who knows what Martial could have become. He only switched to the left because Memphis was so useless. Also, it probably scared Van Gaal how good Martial looked up front because it posed the question of the usefulness of Rooney.
Martial started off looking like he could get 20+ for us, but the conditions were not right for him to grow as a striker here.
I imagine some are not as quick to forget his form of the first season.
His best position is yet to be found out, He is really deadly inside the box and score lots of goals , but we havebeen missing a Left winger too since memphis flopped and he did a great job under lvg. But with Mourinho's demands on the wing he struggled in the final third because he was doubled up and never got to be in the box as much so we dint see the best of him.
For his superior skills in the box he would be more deadly when played as a striker, As a left forward he has to improve a lot indivudually to bet the best out of him.
If you play 90%+ of your games on the wing, the probability is you will have the majority of your best games there.
At the moment Martial looks every inch a number 9 stuck out wide because he can run with the ball, his reported anger at being relieved of the 9 shirt is a testament to this, as are statements from his agent who stated he was a modern striker, NOT a winger. Perhaps he can develop, but he doesn't have the sort of delivery and reading of the game at present that lends itself to wing play. That said, Morata will be an automatic starter if he signs, so Martial either ups his game on the left, or he will be on his way next summer.
Honestly, this a complete joke, how the hell do you know Lindelof is a sideways move?
Morata is more than 10 years Ibra's junior, how is that a sideways move?
Fabinho is a massive improvement on Carrick, I can only assume you mean because of Carricks age, I will let that one ride.
Perisic, okay, I'm actually astounded at how badly he's being received on this forum. He's a great player who application and effort is far greater than Martial and he's easily as skilful as Mkhi and Mata. If he signs I can honestly see so many people holding their hands up on this forum, he's a great player with a fantastic engine. Completely suited to a Jose Mourinho football team.
That's part of my original point though. Perisic might be great in big games, allowing us to play a more defensive full back on the left but for the games against dross we need a full back who can provide the width so an inside forward like Martial can flourish.
It's not a coincidence that no matter who has played on that wing this season they have been rubbish, we have no support from the left back and we don't have a Hazard to compensate for it.
I'm talking about instant impact. Are you forgetting the season Rojo just had? Lindelof would be ecstatic if he can have a season like that.
Morata is good for the long term and may even grow into the better player than Ibra but for now it's a sideways move.
Perisic is a pretty solid (not great) player who will provide something that our other players don't but as i said he has one of the worst conversion rates for an attacking player in Europe, he won't directly do much to improve our output. Having a balanced team is one thing (which we had for a while last season), taking your chances is another and it's what our season nearly failed because of.
Anyway, i think Mourinho will have a trick up his sleeve this window so we'll just have to wait and see come August.
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