Transfer Tweets - Summer 2017 | Keep it on topic

GM K said:
That was never THE problem.

THE problem was poor finishing. Our table standing would have been much different if we simply took as small as 40% of our chances. It's easy to forget how many times we opened up defences and then blew the chances away. Zlatan, Pogba, Raahford, Lingard, Mikhi etc all lost clear sitters.

I agree that what he outlined was also a problem but it was just a part of a few crucial problems.

I do like your analysis though.
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I still dont agree with you on this. We are 2nd in the league on "possession score" at home (i think this includes possession and pass accuracy). We are 8th when it comes to "attacking score" even though we are 2nd in the league on shot accuracy in home games. Every team misses sitters. They come back, create more, and score. We didnt do that, we didnt create enough to make up for the missed chances.

Moreover, a world class possession based team that relies on one players size (read Fellaini) to get up the field in crucial matches needs to take a look at itself, and bring in players that can keep the ball under pressure and play football on the ground. Does a counter attacking player like Perisic help with that? I dont think so. I can understand that there are different horses for different courses, so a counter attacking player can add another dimension to our team - even then Perisic is not the standard Man Utd should aspire to.
 
Bakayoko is a good player. Looked underwhelming against City and Juve at home, but i thought he did very well away against Juve. A good signing for Chelsea
 
His passing game is really underrated. If Conte can get him to increase his work rate and intensity, he can become one of the best in his position.
 
Vanya said:
I still dont agree with you on this. We are 2nd in the league on "possession score" at home (i think this includes possession and pass accuracy). We are 8th when it comes to "attacking score" even though we are 2nd in the league on shot accuracy in home games. Every team misses sitters. They come back, create more, and score. We didnt do that, we didnt create enough to make up for the missed chances.

Moreover, a world class possession based team that relies on one players size (read Fellaini) to get up the field in crucial matches needs to take a look at itself, and bring in players that can keep the ball under pressure and play football on the ground. Does a counter attacking player like Perisic help with that? I dont think so. I can understand that there are different horses for different courses, so a counter attacking player can add another dimension to our team - even then Perisic is not the standard Man Utd should aspire to.
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Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. What I saw in those drawn games at home (and away) was chance after chance squandered to bury the games. I can count at least 10 games we could easily have buried but we threw away due to lost chances. Jose and the players at various times, attested to this. Pundit after pundit, testified to it. There are a handful of articles written on our missed chances.

At top level football, you do not need a million chances to nail your opponents. You just need to be clinical enough and we were not during the season.

Our counter attacking weaknesses showed up mostly in the big games. Not that I am a fan of Jose's methods in such games (I prefer Klopp's or Pep's methods) but I do understand how they are supposed to work and in fairness to him, they have served him well throughout his career. He chooses to soak in pressure and hit on the counter. For me, that's where players like Perisic come in.

About Perisic not being the standard a club like United should aspire for, I think that's a wild generalisation. Managers have their preferences, so do players. A successful transfer is all about who is available, which club is willing to sell, which player a manager prefers, which players want to go to which club, city or league and of course, finance. Di Maria was class as a player but his heart was not at United, so was he the best we could have gotten? Neymar is world class but what if living in Manchester would make his life miserable? What if Jose called Douglas Costa and said, 'Hey, I want you at United but be ready to rotate because I want Martial to get game time." But Costa said, 'I would like to come but I cannot play in a rotational situation again. It's either I am completely first choice or no deal." What if that's why Jose moved on?

Jose has admired Perisic for years. I remember his glowing comments about him at the last Euros (and Perisic was indeed one of the outstanding players of the tournament). What if he remains convinced Perisic is the best winger you can find out there? What if Perisic has told him he will do anything to play for United, comply with any rotational policy and accept the salary offered? What if a hundred other things?

Well, those are hypothetical but possible scenarios. Bottomline is that we hardly have enough information to understand the reasons behind some transfer moves.

We don't know. So just saying 'why don't they get Costa or Bale instead?' might just not cut it in the real world.
 
Didn't Mourinho publicly throw Matic under the bus and were at loggerheads in his last season at Chelsea?
 
Red Devil Rising said:
Didn't Mourinho publicly throw Matic under the bus and were at loggerheads in his last season at Chelsea?
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Football is like business. No permanent friends and no permanent enemies. Who would have thought that Jose would recruit Cesc Fabrigas and Pedro after all their bitter spats in the past? Who would have thought that Mata would be one of his key players last season? Who would have thought that Chelsea fans would call Jose, Judas Iscariot? Who would have thought that Jose and Pep would become pallies at Manchester?

Jose really liked Matic. He did everything to get him to Chelsea. I'm not sure half a bad season would have changed that.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Get both to be honest. Probably Carrick's and Fellaini's last season.
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I think one will be fine. We may need to create space for Andreas Pereira. Of course, that depends on if Jose believes he is now ready.
 
GM K said:
Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. What I saw in those drawn games at home (and away) was chance after chance squandered to bury the games. I can count at least 10 games we could easily have buried but we threw away due to lost chances. Jose and the players at various times, attested to this. Pundit after pundit, testified to it. There are a handful of articles written on our missed chances.

At top level football, you do not need a million chances to nail your opponents. You just need to be clinical enough and we were not during the season.

Our counter attacking weaknesses showed up mostly in the big games. Not that I am a fan of Jose's methods in such games (I prefer Klopp's or Pep's methods) but I do understand how they are supposed to work and in fairness to him, they have served him well throughout his career. He chooses to soak in pressure and hit on the counter. For me, that's where players like Perisic come in.

About Perisic not being the standard a club like United should aspire for, I think that's a wild generalisation. Managers have their preferences, so do players. A successful transfer is all about who is available, which club is willing to sell, which player a manager prefers, which players want to go to which club, city or league and of course, finance. Di Maria was class as a player but his heart was not at United, so was he the best we could have gotten? Neymar is world class but what if living in Manchester would make his life miserable? What if Jose called Douglas Costa and said, 'Hey, I want you at United but be ready to rotate because I want Martial to get game time." But Costa said, 'I would like to come but I cannot play in a rotational situation again. It's either I am completely first choice or no deal." What if that's why Jose moved on?

Jose has admired Perisic for years. I remember his glowing comments about him at the last Euros (and Perisic was indeed one of the outstanding players of the tournament). What if he remains convinced Perisic is the best winger you can find out there? What if Perisic has told him he will do anything to play for United, comply with any rotational policy and accept the salary offered? What if a hundred other things?

Well, those are hypothetical but possible scenarios. Bottomline is that we hardly have enough information to understand the reasons behind some transfer moves.

We don't know. So just saying 'why don't they get Costa or Bale instead?' might just not cut it in the real world.
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Since this is the transfer forum i think this is the wrong place for our discussion about chance creation v conversion debate so i wont keep it going further than this. Regarding Perisic, I understand your point of view, especially about players being ready to play for a manager. and importantly, playing how the manager wants them to play.

Perisic is by no means a world class game changing player like Zlatan or Pogba, he's a transition player who IMO against packed defenses will do exactly what ashley young does for us, half beat a defender and cross the ball. But mourinho identified Perisic quite early as a target and even met his agent in Croatia, so there must be a good reason for it. There are a host of players that are younger and have more in their locker, can play on either wing so competition with Martial would not even be an issue (especially in mourinhos system where all positions rotate with each other anyway). But there must be good reason why Mourinho is set on Perisic. I'm curious to see why. But im not at all convinced. Lets wait and watch.
 
KiD MoYeS said:
Get both to be honest. Probably Carrick's and Fellaini's last season.
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lol this 'just get both' always seems to be the car response during player comparisons. Never works like that, and shouldn't. We have young midfielders coming through.
 
Underwhelmed if Bakayoko is actually signed. Feel like Matic is a similar player at a similar level and we could've gone for something different.
 
Tosicsleftpeg said:
So about 60 million pounds... Outrageous amount of money but not alot of good strikers around at the moment. Hopefully we snap up Belotti as well have a great young strike force.
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You really think we'll buy two out and out strikers?
 
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