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JPRouve said:
I still think that central defense isn't a priority, we need to strengthen our attack.
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Not a priority but it still needs to be looked at as it's not as good as other top teams. We've only played Spurs and Villa. Claims that our defence is sorted are a little premature. Why take the risk anyway? It backfired massively last year.

Otamendi would be brilliant for us and having Blind, Jones and Rojo as backups/competition to Smalling and Otamendi would be much better and reassuring than how our defence is currently set up.
 
JPRouve said:
I still think that central defense isn't a priority, we need to strengthen our attack.
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That's certainly the verdict from this season's first couple of games but I think when we start playing proper teams we will regret not reinforcing there. I know there aren't many top defenders around at all, let alone available ones, but I think Otamendi is an opportunity we aren't likely to get for a while.
 
Clearly a very talented player but €35m is a pretty good deal for Inter considering he isn't a regular and wasn't under Mazzarri either.
 
Señor said:
Not a priority but it still needs to be looked at as it's not as good as other top teams. We've only played Spurs and Villa. Claims that our defence is sorted are a little premature. Otamendi would be brilliant for us.
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It has nothing to do with the last two games, I said it in May, our personal is good enough, it's our organisation that is problematic. My only concern will be regarding the durability of Smalling, Jones and Evans. Also Evans is a good player he had a dreadful start of the season last year but he showed us in the past that he is good.
 
JPRouve said:
It has nothing to do with the last two games, I said it in May, our personal is good enough, it's our organisation that is problematic. My only concern will be regarding the durability of Smalling, Jones and Evans. Also Evans is a good player he had a dreadful start of the season last year but he showed us in the past that he is good.
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Stop the world, I want to get off.

If we are seriously passing up on Nicolas Otamendi because we have Jonny Evans, Phil "made of glass" Jones, Daley not a centre back Blind and Chris Smalling then I question LVG ability to build a defence.
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
Letting an established international centre back join a rival whilst we take a gamble on a guy who isn't a natural centre back in the hope he might come good is a risk we should avoid taking.
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Is he established though? He's 27, it's not as if he has this extensive body of work that people can point to and say 'yeah, he's our man.'
40 odd million on a player who has had his stand out season late into his career is a bigger risk than LVG assessing Blind week in, week out and observing he has what we need.
Our defense and midfield couldn't have gotten off to a better start, maybe LVG is onto something.
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
Stop the world, I want to get off.

If we are seriously passing up on Nicolas Otamendi because we have Jonny Evans, Phil "made of glass" Jones, Daley not a centre back Blind and Chris Smalling then I question LVG ability to build a defence.
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Personally, I rate Otamendi since Villas Boas' Porto, but I think that a pairing Rojo-Smalling is promising and we should build with the good potential that we already have.
 
We have 7 central defenders (Smalling, Blind, Jones, Rojo, McNair, Blackett and Evans) as of today, and Carrick can play there if needed. Even if Otamendi surely are better than all of them (maybe not Smalling at present) I highly doubt that we will sign another central defender before at least 2 of them are shipped away.
 
The Taurean said:
Ah. Thought Otamendi played on right as well.
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He can play both sides, with Argentina I think that he is on the right, with Porto I remember seeing him on the right too and with Valencia he plays on the left.
 
Even if we signed Otamendi, he'd just be playing ahead of Smalling as he's right footed. Wouldn't want that at all.
 
cyberman said:
Is he established though? He's 27, it's not as if he has this extensive body of work that people can point to and say 'yeah, he's our man.'
40 odd million on a player who has had his stand out season late into his career is a bigger risk than LVG assessing Blind week in, week out and observing he has what we need.
Our defense and midfield couldn't have gotten off to a better start, maybe LVG is onto something.
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One good season? Wasn't we after him when he was at Porto as well? He is an international centre back who might have peaked late which does happen. 40m is a lot but that's just the state of the market these days, if we are going to concern ourselves with fees from this day forward we'd be lucky to sign anyone in the future.
 
Raw said:
Even if we signed Otamendi, he'd just be playing ahead of Smalling as he's right footed. Wouldn't want that at all.
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Why would that happen? Otamendi has always played as a LCB, then why would he play in Smalling's position unless LVG is so obstinate that he would rather drop Smalling - our best CB currently - than let go of his really stupid ideal scenario of a left footed player playing as a LCB.
 
NK86 said:
Why would that happen? Otamendi has always played as a LCB, then why would he play in Smalling's position unless LVG is so obstinate that he would rather drop Smalling - our best CB currently - than let go of his really stupid ideal scenario of a left footed player playing as a LCB.
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Simply because I think LVG really takes this whole right footed/left footed CB pairing thing very seriously.
 
Johan77 said:
We have 7 central defenders (Smalling, Blind, Jones, Rojo, McNair, Blackett and Evans) as of today, and Carrick can play there if needed. Even if Otamendi surely are better than all of them (maybe not Smalling at present) I highly doubt that we will sign another central defender before at least 2 of them are shipped away.
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Blind is NOT a CB and Blackett is not good enough to play there in a back four. So basically we have Smalling, Jones, Evans as the senior players in that position and McNair who should be loaned out ideally so that he can get regular game time. Otamendi would be a very good buy for us considering how Jones is made of glass and Blind has played just two games there.
 
Raw said:
Simply because I think LVG really takes this whole right footed/left footed CB pairing thing very seriously.
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I hope that LVG is not so silly that he would drop Smalling if we get Otamendi.
 
Raw said:
Even if we signed Otamendi, he'd just be playing ahead of Smalling as he's right footed. Wouldn't want that at all.
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There has to be one reason why he succeeded at LCB for Valencia despite being right-footed. This thing about left-footed or right-footed has to stop at one point.

Johan77 said:
We have 7 central defenders (Smalling, Blind, Jones, Rojo, McNair, Blackett and Evans) as of today, and Carrick can play there if needed. Even if Otamendi surely are better than all of them (maybe not Smalling at present) I highly doubt that we will sign another central defender before at least 2 of them are shipped away.
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As of now, I would ship the names in bold out. Furthermore, Blind is not a CB and never will be. What we all have to remember is that we are not in the same level of quality as in 2006-07 when we had Brown, O'Shea, Silvestre and Heinze covering for Neville, Rio, Vidic and Evra. One single injury to one of our top defenders, and we could get into trouble, good midfield cover in front or not.

We need one more injection of quality at the back regardless.
 
NK86 said:
Blind is NOT a CB and Blackett is not good enough to play there in a back four. So basically we have Smalling, Jones, Evans as the senior players in that position and McNair who should be loaned out ideally so that he can get regular game time. Otamendi would be a very good buy for us considering how Jones is made of glass and Blind has played just two games there.
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I assume Rojo will be first choice LCB.
 
As good of a player as Otamendi is ,if we weren't in for him then there's no point getting upset.

LvG wants a ball playing left footer, and he is just is not that, personally don't want him
to replace Smalling so it makes sense to leave it.

Much as I'm sure we'll be caught out with Blind and Rojo, as imo they aren't going to be good enough against top teams, it still doesn't mean we should buy the wrong player.
 
Kakeru said:
There has to be one reason why he succeeded at LCB for Valencia despite being right-footed. This thing about left-footed or right-footed has to stop at one point.
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Because he is comfortable playing towards the left, which is not a given for a right footed player. That's why some players are never used on the left side.
 
NK86 said:
Blind is NOT a CB and Blackett is not good enough to play there in a back four. So basically we have Smalling, Jones, Evans as the senior players in that position and McNair who should be loaned out ideally so that he can get regular game time. Otamendi would be a very good buy for us considering how Jones is made of glass and Blind has played just two games there.
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I agree about Blind, but LvG sure doesn't. I also agree that Blackett are not good enough, but he's still here and there are no signs of him leaving in any way. In fact it's only Evans that are on his way out it seems.
 
Borys said:
I assume Rojo will be first choice LCB.
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If LVG believes that Rojo is as good as Otamendi then sure, but on the evidence of last season he is not in the same class as Otamendi. I don't think he is good enough to be a starter for us.
 
NK86 said:
If LVG believes that Rojo is as good as Otamendi then sure, but on the evidence of last season he is not in the same class as Otamendi. I don't think he is good enough to be a starter for us.
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Rojo will surprise people this season. With a season under his belt, a better grasp of the language and (hopefully) consistent partners left and right of him I think he'll play very, very well.

From Christmas onwards up until his injury, he was in good form for us.
 
Among all this panic about Otamendi (who had one excellent season in his career) everybody missed the news about Pedro arriving on tuesday.
 
I've gone on record before saying that if City sign Otamendi (and we don't make a big defensive signing) they will finish above us this season and I stand by that. He's a class above our defenders (although Smalling is starting to come good on his promise now) and far better than anything we have at LCB. I'm not convinced that Blind is going to be adequate in the long term and Rojo is a backup level player at a top team I think. Luckily, we have good full backs now at least. Until injuries happen....
 
Von Mistelroum said:
I've gone on record before saying that if City sign Otamendi (and we don't make a big defensive signing) they will finish above us this season and I stand by that. He's a class above our defenders (although Smalling is starting to come good on his promise now) and far better than anything we have at LCB. I'm not convinced that Blind is going to be adequate in the long term and Rojo is a backup level player at a top team I think. Luckily, we have good full backs now at least. Until injuries happen....
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Even if City doesn't sign Otamendi, they should finish above us, they score for fun.
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
One good season? Wasn't we after him when he was at Porto as well? He is an international centre back who might have peaked late which does happen. 40m is a lot but that's just the state of the market these days, if we are going to concern ourselves with fees from this day forward we'd be lucky to sign anyone in the future.
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If we acted like that over the last few seasons, and reading the woe are us why aren't we signing him instead? Posts back then as well, we would have Managala and Cuadrado in our defense for a combined 60/70 million.
If we don't spend 50m on Kane because we need to see if he can keep his standard of play up, we shouldn't be rushing into signing Otamendi for the same reason.
 
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