The even badder precedent is, that we dither & the likes of Real sign him instead though Clas.
I think, reluctantly, that we will maybe only sign him or Ramos & that Otamendi is the plan B. Hope i'm wrong & we're after both of course..
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The even badder precedent is, that we dither & the likes of Real sign him instead though Clas.
I think, reluctantly, that we will maybe only sign him or Ramos & that Otamendi is the plan B. Hope i'm wrong & we're after both of course..
Exactly, we already have big issues with this
She probably deserved it though, he only asked for two sugars how hard is that?
Basically Ramos is cock teasing, which is stalling our bid for Otamendi.
I hope Real and Ramos aren't working together on this one in order to get both De Gea and Otamendi. Totally possible though.
I mean, why can't we just sign Otamendi now, and if Ramos is actually serious about wanting to leave, then we buy him as well. We now have the best defence in the league, possibly Europe.
I hope Real and Ramos aren't working together on this one in order to get both De Gea and Otamendi. Totally possible though.
I mean, why can't we just sign Otamendi now, and if Ramos is actually serious about wanting to leave, then we buy him as well. We now have the best defence in the league, possibly Europe.
Yeah everyone knows we are the richest club in the world now and the debt is no longer a problem.
Because of that we will always pay over the odds compared to most others, but if you let it run out of control before long a £150m summer transfer budget doesn't stretch that far.
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Probably because we don't need both. We already have Smalling, Jones and Rojo, in addition to the youngsters and Blind.
I know - great aint it?!
F*ckers might get Di Maria though..
Yeah, that would be disappointing.. at least you'd think we'd make them pay good though, as we're signing all their other options
Otamendi and Ramos are far superior to all above defender apart from Smalling, who is still a inferior to Otamendi.
Use Rojo as a back up LB, Jones as a backup RB. Sell Evans.
Smalling, Jones, Otamendi, Ramos. That is, if not a bit overkill, an incredible collection of defenders.
Also Blind as a CB
You shouldn't take pre-season so seriously.
Can't really go wrong for that price, even if Di Maria finds his form and Memphis is brilliant, pushing Pedro back to the bench. £22m is feck all for a player like Pedro.
True, but unless a lot of different clubs are in for player x (for example, Hazard before his Chelsea move), then we should always aim to negotiate the price down. In the case of Pedro, from what the public can see no one else is in for him atm. So we should try to bring the price down, even by a few mil.
Looks like John Stones is available too. We also gave up too easily on Hummels. Hummels, Stones, Ramos and Otamendi! Now that's a defence that can win you games. After all, all we have is a bunch of amateurs who aren't fit to play a game for us.Otamendi and Ramos are far superior to all above defender apart from Smalling, who is still a inferior to Otamendi.
Use Rojo as a back up LB, Jones as a backup RB. Sell Evans.
Smalling, Jones, Otamendi, Ramos. That is, if not a bit overkill, an incredible collection of defenders.
Also Blind as a CB
You shouldn't take pre-season so seriously.
Am I doing this right?
Sure
One new CB is enough.Otamendi and Ramos are far superior to all above defender apart from Smalling, who is still a inferior to Otamendi.
Use Rojo as a back up LB, Jones as a backup RB. Sell Evans.
Smalling, Jones, Otamendi, Ramos. That is, if not a bit overkill, an incredible collection of defenders.
Also Blind as a CB
You shouldn't take pre-season so seriously.
I agree. Zero is not enough.
I agree.
Going into the season with current backline or current pack of CBs to be precise would be a mistake. That doesnt mean they're bad but it means its not enough for us to compete in PL (if we want more than 4th which we do) and in CL.
I agree.
Going into the season with current backline or current pack of CBs to be precise would be a mistake. That doesnt mean they're bad but it means its not enough for us to compete in PL (if we want more than 4th which we do) and in CL.
My point is I'm afraid we will lose out on both CBs. Buy Otamendi now, Van Gaal obviously rates him pretty high if he is the Plan B, and if Van Gaal really wants Ramos, then go for him also.
Heard he prefers choccy Digestives instead of Rich Tea also. School-girl error by the Tea-lady it has to be said - its her job to know the managers biscuit tipple ffs..
I just cant see Ramos truly wanting to leave (too good to be true) - we havent heard a peep out of him about that either (not that its unusual of course).
It's been all rumour-mill up to this point & maybe alot of spin-doctoring from his camp too; which begs the question why? New contract or just his ego running wild?!
The Otamendi stall is pretty frustrating - are we seriously interested at all, or are we just tryin to get the price down?!
City have been linked with him & if Ramos does somehow leave - then i'd hazard a guess that Real would want to sign him as his replacement.
The opinion of most of us, is to get Otamendi signed & if we can get Ramos also - that would be a "Super Extra Bonus Party" & i agree with you Bhoy - it would be the best defence in Europe; so that's world football covered too
I just cant see Ramos truly wanting to leave (too good to be true) - we havent heard a peep out of him about that either (not that its unusual of course).
It's been all rumour-mill up to this point & maybe alot of spin-doctoring from his camp too; which begs the question why? New contract or just his ego running wild?!
The Otamendi stall is pretty frustrating - are we seriously interested at all, or are we just tryin to get the price down?!
City have been linked with him & if Ramos does somehow leave - then i'd hazard a guess that Real would want to sign him as his replacement.
The opinion of most of us, is to get Otamendi signed & if we can get Ramos also - that would be a "Super Extra Bonus Party" & i agree with you Bhoy - it would be the best defence in Europe; so that's world football covered too
I think the Ramos thing is BS as well which explains my annoyance at not having already paid Valencia their buy out clause for Otamendi.
I don't think there is much between them skill wise. Ramos is the better all round footballer as he can control the ball and distribute out of defence very well - which is, in my opinion, LVG's main reason for having Ramos as Plan A. Otamendi is the better defender, and seems to be more professional on the pitch and off it (going by how both players have handled this transfer fiasco).
We're really playing with fire here not having already signed Otamendi. The player himself won't exactly be over the moon about being the Plan B.
But let's face it, this is all speculation and for all we know Otamendi and Ramos are perfectly happy staying in Spain.
A possibility is that Otamendi is actually the one who is holding all the cards, playing the Di Maria game. Is he waiting to see if Ramos leaves, and if so, go to his plan A, Real Madrid? If Ramos stays then he always has the good aul trusty United to fall back on?
Who the hell knows. Also the whole 'bhoy' thing makes me cringe. I created this account back in the juvenile naivety of following 2 teams Otamendi's release clause is way over his market value.
Isn't that the point of a release clause?
No, Varane, Silva, Pique, too. Cant have too many CBs, can we?
Wouldn´t mind having him if Carvalho leaves for PSG like it´s rumoured but i doubt it will happen. His wage is 3 million euros per year and we can´t afford that. Also doubt he wants to return to Portugal.
Sign Zlatan! Based on his record of league wins they may as well present us with the Premier League title when he signs his contract!
Yeah, that would be disappointing.. at least you'd think we'd make them pay good though, as we're signing all their other options
Delighted for the pricks & long may that continue too..
@unitedbhoy @Red Hand Devil
We havent heard a peep from De Gea either, but I bet you both still believe he wants out. Oh and signing both would mean that we have, 2 CB's, a RB, A Keeper (any Ramos deal is probably tied with De Gea), a DM if Basti starts and one of the forwards (Pedro/Depay) all new to the league!
That's 80% of the defence being new, or potentially more than half a team of new players not just in the team but in the league too. Great teams are built over time guys, not in a summer.
We havent heard a peep from De Gea either, but I bet you both still believe he wants out. Oh and signing both would mean that we have, 2 CB's, a RB, A Keeper (any Ramos deal is probably tied with De Gea), a DM if Basti starts and one of the forwards (Pedro/Depay) all new to the league!
That's 80% of the defence being new, or potentially more than half a team of new players not just in the team but in the league too. Great teams are built over time guys, not in a summer.
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Let me just get some binoculars and turn them around the wrong way.
Why is your font so large?
What? What did you say?
I think the Ramos thing is BS as well which explains my annoyance at not having already paid Valencia their buy out clause for Otamendi.
I don't think there is much between them skill wise. Ramos is the better all round footballer as he can control the ball and distribute out of defence very well - which is, in my opinion, LVG's main reason for having Ramos as Plan A. Otamendi is the better defender, and seems to be more professional on the pitch and off it (going by how both players have handled this transfer fiasco).
We're really playing with fire here not having already signed Otamendi. The player himself won't exactly be over the moon about being the Plan B.
But let's face it, this is all speculation and for all we know Otamendi and Ramos are perfectly happy staying in Spain.
A possibility is that Otamendi is actually the one who is holding all the cards, playing the Di Maria game. Is he waiting to see if Ramos leaves, and if so, go to his plan A, Real Madrid? If Ramos stays then he always has the good aul trusty United to fall back on?
Yes. And it's also the reason we shouldn't 'just pay it'.
You clearly have little or no experience in high level, international negotiation. You either go all in, or you wait a matter of hours or days for a compromise. No brainer, really.
Agree with that Clas.
The hope is, that we've already secured a verbal agreement with both Otamendi & Pedro & that its just a question of us negotiating the price down. I would hate us to miss out by dithering & someone else ends up payin the asking prices, when we're more than capable of paying it too.
£22m for Pedro is not a ridiculous sum for such a top-class player, but £35m for Otamendi is quite alot if United dont rate him in that scale of value.
From us fans point of view - most of us couldnt give a shite if we pay £35m for Otamendi; aslong as it works out that we sign him & he makes us solid, more importantly.
He looks like a top-class player though & that's what we need if we want to achieve our ambitions next season & beyond that.
Him, Ramos & Smalling competing for the 2 spots would be amazing & having Jones & Rojo as back up; is a quality CB squad & beyond our wildest dreams too.
Oh what it is to muppet-dream..
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