There is a reason most transfers do not go through like that. There are negotiations and complications especially for fancied players. Literally every manager want to have their team finalised and settled before pre-season and yet it very rarely happens. Surely there must be something to it?
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Transfer gremlins and negotiation imposters.
We did the same under Gill. Real has just offered us 13 freaking millions for De Gea. Bayern spent over 30millions twice in their history on a transfer ... Every club tries to get the best deal possible. If anything we are not exactly known for being cheap especially after Fergie and Gill.
This place is actually quite sensible compared to some of the complete morons I see on Twitter with 0 patience and endless time on their hands, desperate for the rush of signing literally anyone so long as there are youtube clips and they have a decent rating on FIFA.
It'd applaud it if it would actually result in us ever signing a player for a bargain price but we never ever do so it is pointless. Also the numbers we talk about are insignificant if you compare it to our finances. I mean the cost of not getting a player or the preparation time lost because of these unsuccesfull overstretched negotiations can actually be greater than the few £m saved on the transfer fee.
Really Woodward has to lift up his arse open his wallet and get on it with it and I mean NOW and not wait till late august to finally pay what teams are looking for. It is annoying given our position we should have already bagged most of our signings or be close to completing them but I think most of us are realizing we are far from that.
Real and Bayern are in far more comfortable positions than us. They don't need half a new team to be competitive again and neither of them need to play in the begining of august to qualify for the CL.
I swear it I'll be furious if the team ain't ready for those matches and messes it up.
None of us know where we're at with negotiations. For all we know, the papers could be barking up the wrong trees.
re prices, You're hardly going to go in and show your best hand straight away, especially if you are working in a budget.
My point is we don't know if Schneiderlin is our first choice. If he is our second choicer after Schweinsteiger then we aren't going to sign the former before exhausting all opportunities to sign the latter.
If Schneiderlin is also a first choice it might be simple: we're the only party interested and provided he signs by pre-season it makes financial sense to get him £3-4m cheaper if So'ton need the finances to fund his replacement. Why sign him for £25m on 2nd July when you can sign him for £21m on 17th?
oooh scary
Yea but at some times, they did. The point is that this always happens everywhere all the time. Clubs ideally want to conclude their business as early as possible and it almost never happens. Come on, we do not need half a team to compete. That's just the hyperbole of them all. We need cover in midfield and more quality at the back. In the attacking positions, nobody that will improve significantly is available anyway so we have to do with what have. It's not like we finished the season 7th or 8th. We were a good team that looked impotent at times and incapable of scoring. Not very different from Chelsea the year before.
I don't say it is easy but when it is critical alot of clubs seem to be able to pull it off.
Just make good preparations, identify your targets early and as I said don't waste time with long stretched negotiations bt get to the point, know what is team is looking for and make a take or leave it offer.
The team I support in Belgium got their business sorted in the first 2 weeks of June because they knew who they wanted and they knew the team had to be ready for early CL play offs. They have made like 5 signings in that time frame. Their business might not be a 100% done but if nobody else leaves they got their team ready for the next season and they can now focus 100% on preparations which have started last week.
Again it is possible but you have to put work into it and make sacrifices to make it happen.
I'll like to see your reaction if that happens.
Jezus people think CL is already in the bag but it isn't. If we show up with a team half ready because our transfers are not finalised or new players haven't had time to integrate themselves in the team we might really be in trouble.
The way the team played in the begining of the season last year is easily knocked out by a motivated team in a CL play off.
It is an old age problem: say you go clubbing and are looking to pull: should you settle for the first reasonably fit prospect you see? This strategy also known as 'going ugly early' has the greatest likelihood that you will pull. The alternative is to wait in the hopes that the best fit will turn up and you will be able to snag them. But the best fit is often harder to pull and while you wait, the pool of lower fit possibilities shrinks: it is high risk, high reward. You have to hold your nerve.
The exact same thing can be said of Clyne. However it wasn't noticed much as he had Schneiderlin Wanyama and fonte to bail him out whereas we were confusing at the back.
And Valencia has apparently created more chances than Clyne even though Clyne crosses better. Makes you wonder
Clyne is overrated and in no aspect better than Valencia. Plenty of stats will back that up for ya.
At top level he'll be exposed more than at Souton and he'll be found out this season I think.
Beautiful.
Especially when they play Henderson and Milner in midfield with Lucas.
It could even be another case of Lovren-ism. Lovren looked ok at S'ton as he had a compact defensive system to play in and good supportive players.
The defensive system at Liverpool is dire, and seems to rely on hard pressing. That's easy to defend with, but as soon as you stretch the play a bit, his weaknesses will appear.
The defensive system at Liverpool is dire, and seems to rely on hard pressing. That's easy to defend with, but as soon as you stretch the play a bit, his weaknesses will appear.
Official: Bacca is Milan's new signing
Have we still not signed anybody yet?
Yeah, we signed 'em all.
It is nonsense
First of all if you go clubbing there is the fact you don't know which fits will be at the club. Settling for the first prospect you see implies you have not seen everybody out there and don't know what else is available.
We know who is available in the transfermarket, atleast we should know, in fact we should have known for months.
There is no waiting in the transfermarket to see which fit would turn up. You know which ones are available and you should have a prioritzed list of targets. The time for prospecting is over.
In fact in your analogy United is the guy going to the same club every evening knowing all or most of the fits available yet:
-Can't decide which one to go for and in the end ends up with nobody
-Waisting time because trying to land one that is out of his league
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I think you're right on this, but if we'd signed him we'd all be shouting from the rooftops that he he'll be dynamite for us, a massive upgrade on Valencia, will be the England RB for 10 years etc.
The same thing we'll be saying if we get Coleman (not the England bit) whilst other clubs look in the flip side.
The truth is that Clyne is ok, not world class by any means but a much better player atm than Johnson, so he'll likely improve Liverpool, albeit only a bit.
I'am not arguing that he is an upgrade for pool but not so much for us considering we have Valencia who is in my opnion a better player in virutally all areas.
Coleman is much better than either Valencia or Clyne, I hope we get him.
Oh boy that's a long time
I dunno, gun to the head I'd pick Clyne over Valencia, but in truth i'd want neither as our RB, if we don't get Coleman i'd just give Rafael another go, But I doubt LvG would even contemplate it.
Even though the mods were strict, I miss the days where we could reply directly to the tweets and they we restricted to 1-2 sentences.
I know there's a tweets thread, but the 3-50 pages have just been people whining about no signings, in paragraphs.
I know there's a tweets thread, but the 3-50 pages have just been people whining about no signings, in paragraphs.
On the bolded parts:
Do we really know all the 'available' players in the market? Or just those likely?
As someone has already said, player availability in some cases will be a domino effect: we have to wait to see how the dominoes fall.
We believe we are top dog, so no one is out of our league. We should at least ask them first before settling for third choice.
Again?!
Funny how people are all over woodie and LVG over how long it is taking us to get deals done. But look at this situation. Real Madrid wants him it seems. Reports indicate he wants to go. Yet the deal is not done yet.
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