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Transfer Tweets - Summer 2015 | Stop Spamming - Discussion Should Relate to Tweets
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Fingers crossed, at least we'll know soon.
I hardly pay attention to injury record nowadays because you know once he joins United he's going to get injured by default.Di Maria already is one of the best in the world. He had a poor second half of the season, so we just get rid of him asap? That's not how it works. If we stick by him, I'll be surprised if he's consistently as bad as he has been.
In that case, I am glad you are not the one who calls the shots on whether he stays or not!
So we let go of our record signing who is still world class and had about 10 assists and a few goals in what is his apparently bad season, in his very first season in a new league, not given a second chance to redeem, and
Give that place to a young prospect who might also find it difficult to quickly adapt to a newer league so that he can realize his potential sooner?!
In that case, I am glad you are not the one who calls the shots on whether he stays or not!
So we let go of our record signing who is still world class and had about 10 assists and a few goals in what is his apparently bad season, in his very first season in a new league, not given a second chance to redeem, and
Give that place to a young prospect who might also find it difficult to quickly adapt to a newer league so that he can realize his potential sooner?!
Yeah, I think Memphis has a higher ceiling then ADM.
To see him early on in the season was electric, and he put in some excellent performances for us towards the start of the season. He's been frustrated with injuries, not to mention his personal problems, but I'd be surprised if we were so short-termist as to let him go after a season. Can't see him leaving.
Are Harry Kane and Joe Hart both Russ Abbott's love children?
(actually that might be touching on a bit dodgy? I just mean because they look like him not suggesting any impropriety on Abbott's part other than his obvious torture of comedy throughout the 80s)
I'm 38 BTW hence the senile ramblings, eh! half past 5, no I haven't seen Susan.
He may or may not have higher ceiling then Di Maria but thats irrelevant as right now Di Maria is clearly a couple of levels above him.
Otamendi would cost £35 Million. Ramos £5-10 Million more.
It's an absolute no brainer who we should opt for. The proven world class CB with bags of top level experience who can come in and help stabilise our shaky defence. Not to mention be a leader back there like he has been for Spain and Madrid for hundreds of games.
Otamendi is good but who gives a feck about another few million. Not the time to be penny pinching now is it...
He hardly set the league on fire last year though did he and there is no guarantee he'll be any better this year.
Would be mad not to consider cashing in on such a big investment that we made last year, which didn't turn out as we all hoped it would.
That's not me saying he was crap, he just wasn't the player we expected him to be was he...
Appreciate your view, but isn't a major risk in Otamendi the fact that he's only really had one 'top' season? He might be a bit younger than Ramos but there are no guarantees that last season wasn't an anomaly for him and he performed above his true level?
Not saying I would argue that point but Ramos strikes me as much more of a sure thing. He might not be able to play at the highest level for as long as Otamendi but I have more confidence he would slot in to our team and immediately improve those around him. You can never tell but Ramos comes across as a player who knows no other way of playing than by leaving everything on the pitch. If that's because of his love for Madrid then we have no realistic chance of signing him. However, if it's just his personality on the pitch then I can't wait to see that dedication in a red shirt.
To be honest, I couldn't care less about the money. Yeah, it grates on me that we're having to "buy the title" but that is what comes from a decade of under investment. We need quick fixes to accompany the core of young players we've put together.
Ramos would be a sensational "quick fix" in my opinion.
So there are some rational thinking people left in here. Thank feck, I was starting to worry that I'd got Sergio Ramos confused for someone else
Not if he plays like he did for the entire second half of the season.
I agree Di Maria must be given chances to show his worth again has he clearly is a good player and we have no other choice anyway as we invested the BPL transfer record fee in him but if he keeps fecking about and doesn't show up soon it won't take LVG half a season to bench him again.
Even assuming he does, why sell AdM?!
Memphis can play in the left, AdM on the right wing and if you feel, he does not do enough in his defensive duties, can't a proper RB signing fix the issue?!
Plus with more games next year, won't both get enough chances?!
AdM can also play in a midfield 3 with Memphis on the left and a proper DM can give enough cover for AdM to go forward..
I just don't get the reasoning behind your desire to get rid of a world class player..
Telegraph called it 10 days ago, wait and see if they're right I suppose. Also, wait and see if some of these people have a change of heart (except Orc, unless he's back supporting us again ).
(except Orc, unless he's back supporting us again ).I think Memphis is at the age where he needs to play as much as he possibly can or we risk stifling his development.
I said it in another post but I would consider selling ADM because of how much we paid out for him and how much he gave us in return. It was always going to be a risky deal for the amount of money so if we can get the majority (or a good chunk (40 Million)) back then I think we'd be daft not to consider it personally.
Single season in completely new league is hardly a good point to judge a player. And it wasn't like he was completely below par, he started the season very well. If he performs below par again and isn't consistant enough next season then I wouldn't mind him being sold next summer.
I'll happily admit I changed my heart. He's a cu.t but if we sign him he'll be our cu.t.Telegraph called it 10 days ago, wait and see if they're right I suppose. Also, wait and see if some of these people have a change of heart
I think people need to let go of their dreams of Di Maria in centre midfield.
Our manager isn't Ancelotti. His team-mates aren't Ronaldo, Alonso and Bale. And this isn't Real Madrid or La Liga.
Our manager isn't Ancelotti. His team-mates aren't Ronaldo, Alonso and Bale. And this isn't Real Madrid or La Liga.
A toast, to the shittiest cut out job I've seen in a long time on Messi.
And boy do we need 'em. I like Chris Smalling, but he yells like his voice hasn't broken.
Totally agree with the sentiment but I just don't think we have time to wait for him. We need to seriously up our performances to contend in in champions league and league so carrying passengers for another season isn't really an option IMO.
Yeah he has a silly voice for a man of his size.
This. It was obvious from last year that LVG doesn't at all fancy him there. Had numerous opportunities to play him there but never.
€50 million and the we agree to sell them DDG for around £25 Million would be cracking business IMO. In the circumstances anyway..
His form during his last few months at Real and his huge transfer fee made people believe he was a completely different player than what he actually is. He is a pure winger who will get a lot of assists. Expecting him to be much more than that is silly.
I can certainly find myself agreeing with alot of your points.
I also care less about the actual transfer fee if it turns out to be £30m or £40m I don't care as long as it is not £50m or something like that. But the wages bother me. We simply have too many players on riduclous transfer fees and now that we are finally getting one or two out of the club we are at it again with €12m a year...
If Bastian also comes and gets a contract like that we'll be having a ridiculous transfer bill again. Jones and Smalling now to ridiculous wages again. Just seems like we suddenly have money and can't spend it fast enough no matter for who or what it is.
Compare to the wage bill of a club like Bayern, Arsenal, even Chelsea I really don't understand why our top players all need to be earning near 10m a year and the average ones that would struggle getting in the other top 4s starting 11 around 5m a year whilst most other teams have their assests on contracts of about 5-7m a year. Just doesn't feel right with me.
We are having far too much an attitude of don't matter what they ask, just pay it to clubs and players a like. I don't like that precedent one bit !
Just imagining the 'ultimate cnutforce' partnership of Rojo-Ramos next year
Stand by what I said.Telegraph called it 10 days ago, wait and see if they're right I suppose. Also, wait and see if some of these people have a change of heart
No chance he'd go to United and flop or anything like that, but muppets expecting him to become this unbelievable, stone wall of a CB are going to be in for disappointment. He's still going to be one of the best defenders in the league. He'll also make some mind boggling decisions and have some hilarious errors leading to goals and stupid bookings.
Yeah that's just part of his game isn't it. Getting a hell of a player for the most part though.
Guess we both just have to agree to disagree on this and move on..
Hopefully both the players have a blinding season for us next year.. Cheers
Good enough for me, I don't mind the bookings too, since we're a bunch of softies at the back anyway
That's a pretty fair assessment. He is exciting to watch, though. He'd get bums off seats. If only to shout "Ramos, you bent Spanish bastard, put it in the fackin' stand".
For 900 quid, I'd have both.
I agree with your point that to assess a player's value his remaining years of peak performance have to be considered once he reaches his late twenties (factoring in wages, how much did one year of RvP at his best cost us?). But Ramos is a more proven product than Otamendi, who, after all, is 27, and has only one great season on his CV.
I wouldn't be unhappy with either one.
Just get it done. Please.
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