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Wish people would stop talking about Ramos being 29 as if that means he's a year away from being put into a retirement home. He's 29, he's in his peak and could easily play for another 5 or 6 years at a high level.

Also, why does it seem like fans with no financial interest in the club are more worried about being frugal than people who's job literally revolves around maintaining and improving the financial stability of the club?
 
I must be the only one who thinks that those figures are probably about right! As brilliant as De gea is, a goalkeeper who wants out, in the final year of his contract, is never going to fetch mutch more than 20m, 25m tops. And Ramos, one of then best centre backs in the world, is surely going to be valued at around 45m, despite being 29. So we've got to be looking at about 25m plus De Dea, which is pretty much 40m Euros.

But he also wants out (atleast that is the only way this is ever going to happen).

That valuation is crazy for a 29 year old defender that wants to leave no matter how good he is. And I don't even rate him that high, I mean he is very good but I don't know if he'd so much better for us than say Otamendi.

Currently I don't think there really is any defender out there that would warrant a £45m price tag but if there is one out there he certainly shouldn't be nearing age 30 and be pushing for a way out of his club.

I value Ramos at £30m to £35m maximum.

Given De Gea is worth £20m to £25m

Than DDG + £10m-£15m is a fair deal, anything more than that and we are being ripped off imo

€30m and now even €40m is way off imo, far too much. If there is any truth to those numbers I really it is the amount Madrid is asking for and not our opening bid because that would worry beyond believe.
 
Wish people would stop talking about Ramos being 29 as if that means he's a year away from being put into a retirement home. He's 29, he's in his peak and could easily play for another 5 or 6 years at a high level.

Also, why does it seem like fans with no financial interest in the club are more worried about being frugal than people who's job literally revolves around maintaining and improving the financial stability of the club?

If he were a goalkeeper I'd agree but he isn't.

If he fits in we'll get 3 good years from him and then we can start watching him decay like so many at that age. At the end of his contract there will be no resale value and next to the exorbiant transfer fee there will also be exorbiant wages. Considering there is no guarantee he would work out (look to Falcao and Di maria and you know having a big name is no guarantee for success here) than I say it just isn't worth it for the possible 3 years of having a good centreback. There are better and especially cheaper options out there for us.
 
Signing Falcao AND Lacazette? Doubt that. With Chelsea's formation, I really can't see one of Lacazette or Costa being happy to play second fiddle. Falcao would be used to it so wouldn't be surprised there.
Maybe Remy is off? Only way it would make sense.

Even then, unless we played with 2 up top I couldn't see it happening. Although Lacazette isn't a target man. He's a very good footballer and is great in space. I could see him playing with Costa but doubt José would regularly do that.

Non-story I'd say.
 
Yeah, I didn't include Di Maria because of his poor displays for us last season. On the top of his game he'd improve every team in the world, no doubt about it.

I don't think Mata would improve Real Madrid, he'd probably be a bench option.

Smalling would improve them for sure, as he is a proper defender. Varane isn't ready at all, he needs few years. Shaw also, just need some needs to stay fit, Herrera could play for them for sure (he maybe would be on the bench, but it is the same with some of their players), healthy Carrick would get into their first team (but the age is a problem), there is also Mata.....

But I do agree that they do have a better squad, but it's not that every of their players would improve us, we have at least 6 players in di Maria, Herrera, Mata, Carrick, Smalling and Shaw who could play in their team (and maybe even Depay).
 
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Why do people like yourself never learn? You mean like Di Maria improved us by being second fiddle to Ashley bleeding Young? What did people say about Falcao remind me? Even Özil at Arsenal cannot be considered a significant upgrade. If any of the English clubs last summer invested in Bernat, Mathieu, Rakitic, we would all be hearing the same nonsense about how they're smart buys but "would they get to Barcelona and Bayern's first 11?". The best teams buy well but also develop well, they work on establishing a system where the players complement it very well in addition to buying top quality. You know, a bit like under Fergie? This reasoning when people just look at x team, judge the performance of their players without considering the context, longevity, and continuity of the system at place in those clubs and just assume that we should simply buy whatever player who is viewed to be of the same quality and that this somehow will magically shoot us back up the top of the pile is truly absurd. We need to invest of course but we can't just buy a first 11 of players who have established themselves somewhere else and expect it to just work out like a video game.

People like myself? Take it easy, pal. I never said anything about buying a first 11 of established players. Don't put words in my mouth. Di Maria and Falcao flopping means feck all. It's the exception, not the rule. Reality is, Real Madrid's first eleven is full of world class players that'd improve not only us, but almost every team out there. Players like Ramos, Varane, Carvajal, Kroos, Modric, Ronaldo and Benzema would fit in Van Gaal's system like a glove IMO.

Signing top, established players is a necessity. The big clubs have to take chances on them if they want to stay on top. You can't just avoid paying the big bucks just because there's a chance of things not working out. More often than not, they do work out and the fact is we need to sign some top, established players this summer if we want to make up the ground on the other top clubs in Europe faster. These players offer world class ability as well as invaluable experience. That's why we're after Ramos and Schweinsteiger. They'd improve our first team immediately and also allow us to have a run in Europe.

I'm fully aware that the top clubs develop as well as buy. It's the right, successful tactic to stay on top. Only buying is not a financially sound tactic and represents too big of a risk. We'll never be a club that only buys top, established players and rightly so. We've always given chances to young players to develop at the club and become integral parts of the starting eleven and I don't think this would ever change nor would I want it to. There's been a slight change in transfer strategy though. With Woody, we're going after more and more top, established players. That's the new reality for the club, as Fergie is not here anymore and with the club being a global brand, there's just too much at stake to stay on the sidelines for more than a couple of seasons and it's only natural to think that the distance to the top could be shortened by signing some top players.
 
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Juventus have signed Roberto Pereyra from Udinese on a permanent deal for 14 million euros.
 
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He's been rumored to leave us for the past few windows and it never happens. Doubt he'll leave this time.

He seems perfectly happy being a "last 10 minutes here and there" player.
 
So much for not being able to do deals while the Copa America is going on.

That's just an excuse.

Otamendi even said his agent is speaking on his behalf and knows what he wants so can go ahead and get it sorted. I doubt any player who does want a move will let this tournament delay it from happening.
 
Ramos and Schweinsteiger, can't help but feel déjà vu with Woodys first summer if all our eggs are going in this basket
 
That's just an excuse.

Otamendi even said his agent is speaking on his behalf and knows what he wants so can go ahead and get it sorted. I doubt any player who does want a move will let this tournament delay it from happening.

The move is delayed by the tournament, though. Martinez didn't signed, he didn't passed the medical, he just agreed with Atletico. United don't communicate a deal that isn't done and they refuse to let the player or his agent announce it.
 


Formal contract extension talks between Marseille & Dimitri Payet were opened yesterday about a new deal until 2019, according to L'Équipe.

Looks like he isn't particularly keen on moving to West Ham.
 
That's just an excuse.

Otamendi even said his agent is speaking on his behalf and knows what he wants so can go ahead and get it sorted. I doubt any player who does want a move will let this tournament delay it from happening.
Yep and I'd rather we just get that deal done instead of faffing around with Ramos.
 
The move is delayed by the tournament, though. Martinez didn't signed, he didn't passed the medical, he just agreed with Atletico. United don't communicate a deal that isn't done and they refuse to let the player or his agent announce it.

That's why I said its an excuse.

By delaying I mean delaying medicals and terms etc. I know Martinez is not currently being paraded around the Vicente Calderon with a scarf above his head but he is signing.

I never get why our club feel the need to be so different and secretive though, are we that afraid some other team will gazump us?
 
After all the crap in May about how we have been preparing for next season for a lot of time, it doesn't seem like much has changed at United .
 


A deal on Tevez to Boca will happen tomorrow. In exchange, Juve will perhaps get a few youngsters from them.
 
If he were a goalkeeper I'd agree but he isn't.

If he fits in we'll get 3 good years from him and then we can start watching him decay like so many at that age. At the end of his contract there will be no resale value and next to the exorbiant transfer fee there will also be exorbiant wages. Considering there is no guarantee he would work out (look to Falcao and Di maria and you know having a big name is no guarantee for success here) than I say it just isn't worth it for the possible 3 years of having a good centreback. There are better and especially cheaper options out there for us.
Well looking at Ramos and his physique/injury record/apparent fitness and the way he plays I don't see him as someone who will inevitably decline at around 32. Plus, none of the prices I've seen quoted are particularly 'exorbitant' and £140k p/w is hardly excessive for a player of his standing. I also don't see that many of these so called better options who are readily available for less money.

Resale value is hardly a big issue for a club like United as we would rarely buy someone with the intention of selling him on at a profit in the future...
 
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