I understand where you are coming from GB and I would love to get Ramos, no two ways about it. But I don't see too many top GKs available this summer anyway. If we lose DDG but don't get a good replacement for him, we will again struggle at the back. If Madrid are hell bent on low balling us for DDG, I would say keep him for a year and look for another good defender elsewhere. I would hope DDG would be professional enough to not sulk and play properly for another year. Madrid can have him next season while we sort out our back 4 this season and then worry about our GK next.
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I understand where you are coming from GB and I would love to get Ramos, no two ways about it. But I don't see too many top GKs available this summer anyway. If we lose DDG but don't get a good replacement for him, we will again struggle at the back. If Madrid are hell bent on low balling us for DDG, I would say keep him for a year and look for another good defender elsewhere. I would hope DDG would be professional enough to not sulk and play properly for another year. Madrid can have him next season while we sort out our back 4 this season and then worry about our GK next.
Exactly, we are in a position of weakness, there is no way for us to get out of it as winners, but we can still have something positive out of it.
And what about sorting out our back 4 this season with Ramos, play Valdes and worry about the goalkeeper next summer if needed? That's also an idea.
Edit: For me the best scenario would be to sell De Gea for 20m£ and buy Otamendi for 35m£, it's cheaper than Ramos.
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That's my reasoning as well, as long as we don't get fleeced too much. The options we have seem to be - Keep an unhappy keeper for a season and lose him for free at the end of the season and still spend big money on a defender. Or sell the unhappy keeper, which gives us a shot at getting a WC defender in the process.
Because, contrary to the views of some on the Cafe, we don't have an infinite amount of money.
Over the last couple of years, we've made about £110m annually in pre-tax profits. Subtracting circa £15m in tax, plus £20m in debt interest, plus sundries, leaves £60m to £70m to spend on players on a sustainable basis. Even assuming we retain our CL place, and profits increase significantly in the coming years, taxes will also increase, and we can't spend £150m every year. In the last two years, we've spent more than we earned.
So it's not sensible to throw money around like confetti. Only the oil clubs can do that.
Once again, where did you see 40m£+ De Gea? In the article they added Ramos potential wage, which is a totally dishonest thing to do.
It's 30m€+De Gea.
I was hoping to log in to some positive news for United, instead I see the dreaded Cillessen rumour pop up again and Jones getting a new deal. 
At least the Ramos story is still alive for now.
At least the Ramos story is still alive for now.Exactly. I don't understand the "it's not your money" brigade. It's almost as if some think we're too big to mess up or something. We were too cautious in saf's last few years, or a few years before that, but there was a reason he didn't want to overpay for players as per the value he attached to them, because a) spending well is essential to running any good business in a sustainable manner, and return on investment is key and b) no one has limitless resources.
In an ideal scenario they'd pay us for that deal. Something like 15-20 plus de gea is alright I suppose given his contract situation.
No we don't
1 Either you are right and Ramos is unobtainable because he isn't pushing for a transfer and Madrid don't want to sell.
In which case we are not going to get him regardless of what happens with DDG
2 Or Ramos is not unobtainable because he is pushing for a move and Real will be forced to sell
In which case we could get him regardless of what happens with DDG
So he is either atainable or he is not but DDG has nothing to do with it. Real Madrid are not going to make him available to us just so they can get DDG because they know we have to let him go anyway (either this summer or next summer).
£40m + is including DDG
£20m + for DDG and £20m + cash on top of it
Imo 29 year Ramos is not worth £40m + so I think we shouldn't do that deal. Either less cash on top + DDG or no Ramos and £20m + cash to us.
TBH that all depends on IF they are willing to wait until next summer, when they could have a transfer ban
The transfer ban is apparently a hoax. Nothing credible has been reported about it
80k wow!
I can imagine Jones running into Ed's office to sign that contract, tripping and sliding across the floor on his face, gurning like a 90's pill head.
Then probably being out injured for first month of the season.
I was hoping to log in to some positive news for United, instead I see the dreaded Cillessen rumour pop up again and Jones getting a new deal.
What is wrong with Jones getting a new deal?
£30m should be an absolute maximum for a 29 year old defender like Ramos. He's one of the better defenders around at this moment in time because there's a dearth of top CB's, he's not a prime Rio/Vidic/Terry. DDG + £10m would be a very, very generous offer from us. Any more and we're getting completely mugged off as usual.
Its the same as Smalling, since they are both starting CBs its not suprising.
Why is everyone valuing DDG with 1 year left on his contract at £20m? We all know that is not the case giving the current situation, plus from what we have been hearing Real is more looking around 20m Euros and not £'s as his valuation
80k, he is well worth that. Nani is on £100k, Anderson was on £80k. Kagawa £80k. I you think that Jones is less use than those players to Manchester United then you are a damn fool!
I was hoping we'd let him go along with Evans and bring in Stone as well as Ramos or Otamendi.
Or maybe, just maybe, they are/were all overpaid. Look at how we are struggling to sell Nani due to his wages. In all honesty though Nani has reached levels at United that Jones could only dream of.
Don't be silly. Nani is going to Turkey in the prime of his career. Jones has grander dreams than that, otherwise he might as well hang up his boots.
Is that surprising that a 22 years old CB, hasn't reached his peak?
No, its suprising we choose to pay him as if he has
Because they're trying to rip us off... They're getting one of the very best in his position at age 24. Woodward should tell them they can have him next summer if they want to pay below £20m.
Currently and wrongly, 80k in our team his the wage of a squad player.
Kroos one of the best midfielders around cost £20m we all know GKs don't command the same fee as outfield players. What we should do you are correct, however from a Non-United point of view that is a high valuation
A. He's certainly one of the best.
B. How much Madrid are valuing DDG at depends on if the Marca guess is true, you could argue they value him at 40m and value Ramos at 70m.
That's not wrong. It's the quality of the squad player that is picking up £80k that is wrong.
Its the same as Smalling is it not? It only goes to support my earlier point that we are overpaying players
I'll never understand how so many United fans are so happy to let other clubs undervalue our best players.
Arsenal made us pay £24million for a 29 year old striker with 10 months left on his contract and an injury record as long as my arm. Yet we should be fine with selling a 24 year old world class keeper, with 12 months left on his contract, for £14million?
Dang, muppet mode has been put on silent mode today. No magic digits over the 'transfer tweets'. Monday Muppet days always this quiet?
What's the betting we're paying the remaining 45k a week for the next 4 year
Where in my post do I say its fine? Also we overpaid for RVP and everyone knows it.
Kroos with 1 year left on his contract was £20m
Anyway my point in relation to the DDG valuation was that £20m+DDG for Ramos (one of the best CBs around) seems like a decent deal
Considering people were happy to spunk £35m+ on Hummels (who isn't as good) or Ottamendi (who isn't as proven)
What's the betting we're paying the remaining 45k a week for the next 4 years
Just because we were stupid enough to spend that amount in that scenario doesn't mean we should hold everyone else to the same account
So then... anything happen today?
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