Any chance of getting back to the tweets. There's a thread for Ramos. I usually only have to spend 15 minutes checking the days transfer fabrications. All these repetitive posts about a ridiculous story are making it much harder.
Transfer Tweets - Summer 2015 | Stop Spamming - Discussion Should Relate to Tweets
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There is that new transfer tweet section btw, I find that handy when this thread gets swamped.
On Firmino - He'd be a bit daft to go to Liverpool when he could easily move to a CL club.
And what If one doesn't come in for him? I would take him here no problem but we seem to be sitting
Still at the moment
Think he's priced around 20 million euros. Would be a great signing for Sunderland imo.
If Pique was the best defender, God how bad is defending nowadays! He made mistakes every time I saw Barca play. Boateng is nowhere near world class. But maybe good defenders are so few and far between now that Boateng passes for one.
Probably stretching it for Perez
Really? Madrid have us by the balls on this and I am not going to close my eyes to that. If we pay them 30 mil + DDG (effectively 50-60 million) for Ramos, I doubt we have got anywhere close to the best deal. Madrid would be laughing all the way.
So suppose we were not interested then. But it will be spun by the media that they beat us to his signature.
Morning Paper : Utd to spend 150m on players
Lunchtime : utd close to X player
evening : feck all
repeat
this is getting really annoying, 200 pages on this thing now and nothing happening.
Lunchtime : utd close to X player
evening : feck all
repeat
this is getting really annoying, 200 pages on this thing now and nothing happening.
Who cares...
To be fair, Marca made up EUR30m, which is about GBP21m, so if you value De GEa (with 1 yr contract) at 20-25m, the Ramos price is expensive but not excessive.
I don't .
Very good nor do I
£25m for DDG
£21m on top of that
= £46m for Ramos
I think that is rather excessive considering we are talking about a defender an not a striker or attacking midfielder plus the fact that he is already 29 years old and will not be of use for us for a long time and will have no resale value at the end of his contract. In fact I think it is very excessive.
I'd pay £35m maximum for somebody like Ramos that means
DDG + £10m
And I think that would be a more than generous offer from our side (should be the absolutle maximum limit we should ever consider offering).
I think the idea that defenders should not cost that much is a pretty old fashioned one, all depends on how desperate you are and what is there in the market in terms of quality defenders.
Irrelevant.
Relevant: Does the player improve us? Yes, by a large factor.
Codswallop.
Irrelevant.
Nobody cares.
If you look at the record transfer fees it takes until the 10th place until you find a defender (David Luiz for £50m) and we all know that was a fishy transfer. If you look further it takes until the 25th place to find an actual sensible transfer for a defender which is Ferdinand for £30m.
So it is not an old fashioned idea it is just a fact that defenders don't go for as much as attacker and attacking midfielders.
Even if you forget for a moment that we are talking about a defender here there is still the fact that he is 29 years old turning 30 next year.
If you go down that list it takes a very long time before you find a player worthy of such an investment that is in that age category. The first one I find is David Villa to Barca on place 46 for £34.5m and he was only 28 at the time not 29. It than basically goes to place 79 where we find RVP for £24m in that age category.
So yea
1 He is a defender
2 He is turning 30 this year
Looking at the market that leads to:
3 No fecking way is he worth £46.5m !!!!!!
(The list is made on historic exchange rates the £30m for ferdinand was €44.8m which is more than the £34.5m for Villa at the time which was only €39.8m)
Ok if your basic point is that the transfer fee of a player is not relevant than I think we are done talking.
De Gea is only moving to Real. We don't have much leverage. Getting a player off them is one way we can come out with a positive.
He hasn't left for RM yet. Do you want to arrest people for crimes they will commit in the future? Please go and watch Minority Report instead.
Glad we could come to some arrangement.
Now if you can make the same arrangement with this forum as a whole we can put this silliness aside.
Jezus obviously it is hyphotetical, if you'd bother to read it than you clearly see the phrase if it goes through...
Which I think is quite implicit in a thread where we are discussing rumours.
Well I don't think the entire forum shares your basic point about transfer fees not being relevant. In fact I know they don't because else people wouldn't have been discussing them for years now.
So no
No sooner said than done:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ver-move-for-hoffenheim-forward-10339092.html
We have the leverage that we can keep him and I'd consider it only a positive to come out of this with one of their players if we don't have to pay silly money for that player.
We cant keep him. Getting one of their better players is a good thing. We aren't paying that much. £50 million for a top CB when we need to step up our first team is a step we need to take if needs be.
The market has take a significant jump this summer with the new TV deal. If people are happy to pay 36m for Otamendi who's had ONE good season in Europe, I don't see 46m for Ramos, who by all accounts is one of the very best in the world, being excessive.
It is £50m for a 29 year old top CB. That is silly money for a player in that age cat, even more silly than the money PSG paid for David Luiz.
Didn't anybody tell you that we can keep him by just saying no to Real Madrid ? He still has a contract you know, a legal binding document that he has to play for us for another year. So it certainly isn't impossible.
Can't see that myself. DDG is young and Ramos is at the peak of his career. DDG can offer potentially 15yrs+ at the top while Ramos between 3 to 5yrs.
I don't think anybody is happy with £36m for Otamendi but it is his release clause. I doubt we couldn't reach some sort of agreement with Valencia to get him for cheaper than that. Anyway much rather have Otamendi who is younger even if it is for £36m.
Sport alleges City would discount the Negredo money owed by Valencia as part of any deal but it was said at the time we signed Bony that the Negredo transfer fee was allowed by UEFA to count for the 14/15 season, allowing us to sign Bony without any worries about breaching FFP, so I'd be sceptical of our ability to discount that transfer fee by arranging a deal for Otamendi without knowing all the facts.
We're not going to keep him. It's not happening. We can only sell him to Real. We can use this opportunity to get one of their players and that's what it looks like we're trying to do.
I'am just saying that keeping him is a valid possibility also it isn't much of an opportunity to sign Ramos when it involves us paying silly money.
Real would never consider it if Ramos wouldn't want to leave and if he wants to leave we could always try and sign him even without the De Gea deal. So in fact it is not an opportunity at all.
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