The thing is, I guess, Ramos has 2 years left on his contract and is already 29. DDG has 1 year left on his contract and is one of the best in the world at age 24. So Madrid are rating DDG at 18 million euros while we, if the rumors are to be believed, are stupid enough to agree to their evaluation of Ramos being close to a 50 million euros player. Makes no sense from our perspective seeing that we could get Otamendi for those figures while trying to squeeze Madrid for more money for Dave.
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Ramos is one of the top 5 defenders in the world in my opinion. Who should we invest £50m on instead? I'd happily buy any of Ramos, Boateng, Pique, Godín and maybe Benatia and Otamendi for that kind of money. Boateng and Pique aren't available, Godín may not be available for ~50m and Benatia/Otamendi would be a slight risk at £50m. We're in a position where we have to spend heavily and overspend from time to time if we want to get back to the top soon and Ramos is a great player with possibly 5 years left at top level. Our income is so high that I honestly don't worry that much about spending at the moment.
Also, my hatred for Real Madrid is continously increasing, and taking Mr. Real Madrid from them would be a great joy. Can't wait to shove it in the face of my RM supporting mates if that happens.
That's quite tame by his standards.
Boateng/Pique for 50 million pounds!! Thank feck you are not in charge of our accounts or transfers for that matter. We have to spend big but that does not equate being stupid and throwing money down the gutter.
And we need to ask more of our scouts and football people if $35m+ CBs are the ones they can only suggest to improve our side when everyone else can sign equally good or adequate players for comparatively less. We need to stop with this obsession of trying to get a player in return for De Gea, just make them pay what we need or keep him and then proceed to sign the defender we had targeted long before they tapped up our player.
Otamendi wouldn't cost us £50m, he has a release clause of £35m if reports are to be believed.
He is also 2 years younger than Ramos so just pay the £35m to get him or maybay try to negotiate a lower deal with Valencia. And tell Real Madrid to pay up £25m for De Gea or feck off and wait till his contract has ran down. With some luck we might even convince Dave to sign a new deal if Real doesn't pay up and at the very least it would buy us some time to sort out his replacement.
Anyway we'd be better of than settling for 29 year old Ramos under such conditions.
A straight swap seems like a good deal, a little bit of money from our side to pull it over the lign is acceptable but not freaking 30m on top of it !
Otamendi cost 12 million just a year ago but it seems people wouldn't bat an eyelid at dropping 50million euros on him. He's had one good season so far. (The same people will say Kane costs too much and we should wait another season. Go figure)
Yet people will moan if we try and sign a truly world class defender, who's been capped 120 something times by Spain.
Go figure
50 million euros
One tweet and you go in a proper meltdown.
Yup that equates to £35m
It ain't the tweet it is the fact some people on here would be happy to see that happen go figure.
I agree re Otamendi and personally I don't think he is worth the 50 million euros being quoted by Valencia. As for the Kane comparison, at least this was not Otamendi's first season at the top level and that is one reason why I am not quite sold on Kane. Back to the point, I will be pissed with those figures and my reasons are that if it was a straight transaction for only Ramos for 50 million then I would say that we need to splurge to get top class in, but in this case we are getting our pants pulled down by Real twice. They are getting a truly world class GK who is yet to enter his prime for peanuts while selling us one of their players for an exorbitant fee.
No idea but him and his cnutery was let off far too easily
49.sonething by today's values
So you went into a rant cause people have different opinion than you on a forum..
The bottom line is ddg wants out, he only has a year left. We'd be lucky if we got 20m for him do we may as well use him as a bargaining chip. No point holding on to a player who's beart is elsewhere
Fine £35.808 million to be precise about it
Just forget DDG for a moment, basically we need a Cb and we have been informed by the agents of Ramos that he would be willing to leave if United offered him good money (could be true or could be just hogwash) so what exactly is wrong with us at least trying to test Madrid. Obviously they don't want to sell him but we know that they want DDG and so we can definitely leverage him to get them to at least discuss the possibility. People are getting far too worked up about the price which has been randomly created by AS
Maybe you are right. It just irks me that we get bullied by Madrid whenever they please to do so. It sucks.
I think you'll find it's us bullying them now. They were cocky about getting DDG done simply and cheaply, but we're having none of it.
If we extract Ramos from them, who is Mr Real, it'd be an incredible bit of gamesmanship.
That does conjure up a wonderful image though of Ed shuffling into the meeting room with his trousers and pants around his ankles.
30m and De Gea....they must be having a laugh. I'd love Ramos but that deal is ridiculous.
Ramos isn't coming.
While we do need some cojones in the team, Ramos is not the answer in any case. Schweinsteiger would be great but I can't see that happening either unless he really wants a new challenge.
While we do need some cojones in the team, Ramos is not the answer in any case. Schweinsteiger would be great but I can't see that happening either unless he really wants a new challenge.
See I hate this mentality
No we wouldn't be lucky to get 20m for him we'd be ripped off for 20m.
We have a back-up plan already with valdes so we shouldn't be rushed into anything nor do we need the money so we can make a stance about this. We don't want to sell De Gea, he is very important to us, he is in the prime of his career and only 24 years old. If the player wants to go we aren't going to stop but our valuation has to be met. If Ramos is apparently a €65m player these days well than De Gea is easily worth more than that. Ok his contract runs down so we can't ask his full valuation but at the very least he'd worth 30m.
Let Real show how much they want him and pay 30m or tell them to feck off. Worst case scenario is De Gea stays for another year and we have some more time to adequatley replace him in the team. The miserable peanuts they are offering now are not needed and won't be missed if a deal doesn't go through. Real may hold the cards in this one but that doesn't mean we should let them have him without a fight. Hell who knows maybay if De Gea sees Real don't want to pay up for him altought they do want to pay up for other players he'll see they don't value him at all atleast not the way like we do and who knows he might end up having a change of mind and decide to sign a new contract afterall. We shouldn't give up our prime player without a fight !
Be that as it may we have the financial muscle to tell them where to go with that 20m because losing or gaining it does absolutely nothing to our finances, believe me that is a big bargaining chip. Twelve months is a long time in football and especially if we threaten to make him spend them on the reserves bench, he wants to screw us so we can do that as well. The bottom line is if Madrid want him then they shouldn't dictate his price because we own his registration and we shouldn't give feck all about a player who is actively helping another club to screw us over.
Pique was maybe the best defender in the world this season. Boateng is also world class so I don't see how it would be throwiing money down the gutter..
He'd likley take them off before enterring Perez's office and then just hands them over with that big smile on his face, saying here you go mister Perez I already pulled them down for you so you don't have go through all the trouble anymore with you sore knees etc...
Perez thinking wow I love that fool, I wish every club was so easy, too bad they don't have more good players, it be a goldmine !
For feck sake and we stand still by chasing targets that have probably 0 interest in joining. *Cough Ramos Cough*
Indeed we should be all over Otamendi yet we are waisting our time again with chasing an unlikley target like Ramos. thing is even if we do get Ramos in the long term Otamendi will turn out to be a better signing.
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We will sign both you muppets
Difficult to make that conclusion, considering Ramos has been world-class for many years now. Otamendi only reached that level this year, no guarantee he will continue performing at that same level. Having said that, Otamendi is younger and would most definitely suit the premier league, even more so than Ramos in my opinion. Will be gutted if we miss out.
Safari, MacBook Air.
Same can be said for Ramos
The fact they are highly experienced and proven doesn't mean they will work out for us. Just lookat Falcao and also Di Maria two of our most underperforming players this season yet nobody would have disagreed last summer they were proven players and the best of the best in what they do.
The fact that Ramos has been one of the best centrebacks in the world for Madrid doesn't mean he'll be one of the best for us. There is the fact he is a Real Madrid man and that brings a level of devotion that he might not have for playing for any other club. I wouldn't be surprised if we'd get him he'd turn out to be a completley different player here than many would expect him to be. Atleast with Otamendi you don't run that risk. United is a step up for him and he'll want to be here for something more than simply money or out of anger towards his current club.
And there is the fact he is younger whilst Ramos is almost 30 years old. Ramos is not a purchase you make with an eye on the future.
Sergio Ramos isn't joining us, I really wish we'll stop messing about and get players who want to join. I doubt Ramos was orginally in the "list" of candidates we wanted at CB, but as contract nego broke down with Real, he's agent must have put a call through to few top clubs, and we have taken the bait, how can such a big club be so naive? Stick to players you wanted from the beginning and if you need a player from Real Madrid in a swap deal, there's better chance of landing Carvajal who now has €31.5m Danilo as competition.
Should work, tested it in safari on a mac and it worked.
Marca=Facht
You do realise its possible to do more than one thing at once right? Its not like ed has sent an email to real over ramos and now has to just sit there with his thumb up his arse waiting for a reply before he can do anything else.
I honestly don't see why so many people are upset with the Marca valuation of Ramos when the likes of Luiz was transferred for GBP50m. 
He's arguably the best defender in the world.
He's arguably the best defender in the world.
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