He's on more than Ramos...
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He's on more than Ramos...
May be, though I don't see the point in paying 40m Euros just to improve the squad when you need a top class striker.
But like I said, I would be surprised if Wenger would pay that much for a player of his quality.
I don't know the going rate for salaries but that seems way too much. No wonder we find it hard to sell these players, if need be.
Question: Why do we seem to wait till the last year to extend players contract? Seen it far too many times in the last few years.
Is that a "We're not buying Ramos" timed press release? Seems like it.
I think €45m (£32.5m) under the condition that he wants to leave and says as much to Real Madrid.
I rate DDG at €70m (£50m) if he had a full contract. With a year left my general rule is that if we get 50% of that it be a fair price, that is €35m (£25m).
So i guess if there would be a player swap + cash it should somewhere around DDG+ €10m (£7m) for Ramos. But €30m (£21.5m) + DDG is way of the mark it would make Ramos a €65m (£46.5m) player which I don't think he is worth being already 29 years old etc.
There can be some stretch but I wouldn't fancy Ramos for anything more than £37.5m considering £25m for DDG is a minimum we should get, that means highest we should go is £12.5m + DDG and that would be a ridiculously high offer for a 29 year old defender if I'am honest. But I could live with it as it would solve our defensive issues and the DDG saga (we'd have a fair price for him) and we can afford it but absolutley not a penny more or it would really be a rip off.
Very good question I'd like to know the answer.
Shouldn't we be wrapping up our best players on long term deals as soon as we can instead of waiting around till it is usually too late ?
There seems to be alot of incompetence at the club. I mean we give Nani a new 5 year deal paying him £100k per week wages, just not play him anymore, then send him on loan (even paying his wages) and than selling him for peanuts to Fenerbache. Whilst our best player from the last 2 years somehow has his contract running down... I don't understand it at all ! We really suck at this contract management thingy ! Luckly we make loads of cash every year because if we were as profitable as some of the Italian teams we'd have been bankrupt long ago that is for sure.
Maybe this was a ploy by United, say we are going for Ramos to make Phil Jones sign a new contract.
How do you know club didnt want DDG to sign way earlier but he refused.. Yeah club made some mistakes but it isnt aways clubs' fault every time..
How much do you think we'll get for De Gea considering his contract situation if it was a cash only deal? Seeing as you'd pay 25-30mil for Ramos, that should tell me what you consider a fair deal. There's no way a Ramos goes for that much in today's market btw
Fair enough. I don't see us getting more than 20mil for De Gea seeing as he'l be available for free in 6 months. GKs always cost less anyways.
I'd consider Ramos' s value to be around 40mil if he wants to leave. Top defender at his peak. That makes it de gea + 20mil. I'd love it if we can get him for this or anything around it.
I think they did offer him a contract, but it might have been during the Moyes turmoil and then Real might have been fluttering their eyelashes at him after that.
No one is debating that we would rather keep De Gea. But he has let his contract run down to it's last year and also appears to want to only go to Madrid. The transfer fee we could possibly get in that scenario is extremely limited. He could be the best player ever but in scenarios like this the transfer fee is always going to be well below market value.
How much would RM realistically be willing for an extra year of De Gea when they arent in desperate need of his services now and they will still have 10 years of him playing after that?
£10m would be my guess. That makes Ramos implied fee about £28m which in this market sounds reasonable.
I wouldn't sign him for 40 million for sure.
The firmino deal Liverpool have agreed for 18 is more interesting for me, as good as Ramos is.
The firmino deal Liverpool have agreed for 18 is more interesting for me, as good as Ramos is.
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Ramos is twice the players that Marquinhos, Mangala, David Luiz, Shaw or Carroll are. He at least worth the same inflated price, price who is in the range of Godin, Laporte and Otamendi prices.
Not to us, Firmino won't improve our team, he can give us good depth but he isn't the only player on the market that can do that. On the other hand Ramos could give us the needed experience in the back four, most of the goals we conceded, were due to our lack of experience and communication.
It is, they always act way too late and then need to rectify things with extreme measures that usually don't work.
Not just this situation, our transfer business of the last 8 years is littered with such things. I struggle to think of any business that has been handled properly and delivered real value to the club in those years but I can list dozens of failures. Players we should have been interested in but didn't go for until it was too late, players a 5 year old could have predicted wouldn't work out for United but we got them anyway usually overpaying aswell in the process. Badly handling the contract situations of a couple extremly valuable players for the club which led to eventually losing them. Giving certain players far too many chances and also paying them far too high wages than they deserved, destroying any value that they could have for the club in the process. And it goes on and on and on...
Really If I compare us to other clubs in terms of transfers, negotiations, contracts etc we are one of the absolute worst clubs in the world of the last 8 years. We get away with it because we had Ferguson that could win the league without needing decent players and because we generate ridiculously high revenues to compensate the destroyed value from our inadequate transfer business and contract management.
We could learn a thing or two from clubs like Atlético Madrid or Juventus who work on budgets that are fractions of what we have and do soooooooooo much more with it ! Bayern also has a thing or two to teach us on how to use your resources in an efficient manner, hell even Chelsea could give us a master class on that.
If you'd have to give points for transfer business every summer we would have failed miserably every year for the last 8 years.
Then we should keep David here for another year on his current wages. We make enough cash that £10m wouldn't really bother us. Plus, it would give us an opportunity to try Valdes in a few games and determine if he can be an option for the no.1 spot.
If David is adamant to go and Real are desperate to land him then any deal should be on our terms.
Otamendi too is way overpriced at 50m Euros. Valencia got him for 12m a year ago, ffs.
The thing with Shaw, Mangala and Laporte is that they are still very young and have years of football in front of them. Whereas, this will be the last big deal for Ramos. I think 65m Euros, the price mentioned, is way over the top for him.
If there is a verbal agreement between Levy & Lloris can it be enforced, either way it is going to be interesting how this pans out as it's clear Lloris wants to leave to play in the UCL?
Worst in the world?
wov, there have been mistakes, sure, but that's an exaggeration.
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Manchester United offer €30 million and De Gea for Ramos - http://as.com/diarioas/2015/06/23/english/1435045364_143303.html …
United to offer €30m + De Gea for Ramos. Meeting held back in April. United would double his wages.
I'm being an ass but you are absolutely ignorant
, young defenders are supposed to worth nothing for the simple reason that their future depends totally on their capacity to absorb experience, what makes a defenders valuable is his experience and how he uses it. Players like Ramos, Godin, Otamendi are in their peak that's when their value is at the highest.For example Godin and Ramos at 29 have at least 4 years at the absolute top and barring injuries that's a guarantee, with the young players you are just gambling.
The problem is, if we would do that we would spend 300m pounds in two transfers windows and we would still need new players in some positions (one more midfielder and a RB) and suprisingly we wouldn't have any of the great great players in our team. Don't like that at all.
Ramos and Benzema are hugely popular with Madrid fans. Perez apparently loves Benzema. I doubt we'd get one let alone both.
I'm being an ass but you are absolutely ignorant
For example Godin and Ramos at 29 have at least 4 years at the absolute top and barring injuries that's a guarantee, with the young players you are just gambling.
Balking at paying 65m for a 29 year old is not being ignorant but the opposite of that. I could understand if he was 25-26 and had his best years ahead of him, at 29-30, you never know when that drop in quality will start becoming evident.
If Real is the only club he'll go to and wants him, then 25m-30m. The deal doesn't make any sense for us at prices mentioned. I rather we keep him for another season and let him go for free.
Can you think of many clubs that have done worse business than United considering position + revenues
I mean we have the money to get anybody we want, no constraints in that area
Apart from last season we have always had CL to offer
With Ferguson we were the champions almost evey year and also often CL finalists
Biggest club in one if the if not the most attractive league in the world
Yet in terms of player material what do we have to show for it ? Especially if you balance it out to the amount net spend and wages paid over those years it really doesn't paint a pretty picture.
Obviously there are some other pretty bad examples of clubs but we are surely one of them and considering our position one of the absolute worst.
Excellent £21m + DDG for a 209 year old defender
That is more than £45m ? In what world can that be excellent ?
Ramos isn't the best defender in the world nor is he young and does he provide future value for the club. It be a nice player to have for the coming 2 or 3 seasons and than he would basically lose most of his value. £45m is way too much for such a player especially as we are talking about a defender here.
I'd make sense if we'd settle our defence for the next 5 or 6 years with such a move but we don't.
As I said it has been bad but hasnt been that drammatic.
Lets agree to disagree.
I guess its just the way this forum operates.
Too negatively but what to do.
Valuing de gea and Ramos at the same price range doesn't make sense. Not when he'l be available for free in 6 months and wants to go to Real and Real only. We could face competition for Ramos.
It won't be though. Spending that much for a 29 year old just doesn't make sense. It doesn't matter how much money we have got, we still have to spend it wisely.
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65m? I missed something.
Edit: And you never know if the young player will reach his potential.
Why are you getting annoyed by prices?
Prices are only as good as what a club want to pay
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