Transfer Tweets - Manchester United - 2024/25

[Woziak]

You sure, thats your position on that? Whats in that post makes you think, that it is the 70 million part that the club has problems with (if the info is correct anyway)? A player like Osimhen is going to want a huge wage package and he is going to expect to be used a certain way. Osimhen is a very good player no doubt but given that there are so many issues to be adressed across the whole squad, why do fans always act as if only the best of the best will help Manchester United? Have people missed how we played against Everton and Ipswich only a few days ago? This mindset is what contributes to our issues these days. Always trying to shortcut stuff when it doesn't reap rewards for years.

Teams that are attempting to make the final step to win trophies should be the ones to splash that sort of cash, that go for the Kanes and Osimhens out there. United has no fecking business in such conversations.

His name is Garnacho...

Some fans will never learn. Sure, lets bring in players on their last legs on big wages because United needs good players right now. Makes sense. It did bite us in the back with Ronaldo, Varane and Casemiro but why not try it again and again until we finally land on the jackpot.

Not fans, media, no United fan in his right mind would want a 32 year old Harry Kane on £300/400k per week, merely stating what’s being briefed in certain parts of the media, most man united fans with a semblance of intelligence realise that the club needs to be recruiting no one over the age of 26/27 in addition to targeting young upcoming players from 19-22, we do however need to bring in 1 or 2 experienced 25/26 year olds to improve one of the weakest spines currently in the EPL.

We need a decent CM and a number 9, the reality with no European football, we’ll be shopping in Poundland and that is the harsh reality which needs little debating and little writing hypothetical lists of players we might or might not get!

 

[Rozay]

You sure, thats your position on that? Whats in that post makes you think, that it is the 70 million part that the club has problems with (if the info is correct anyway)? A player like Osimhen is going to want a huge wage package and he is going to expect to be used a certain way. Osimhen is a very good player no doubt but given that there are so many issues to be adressed across the whole squad, why do fans always act as if only the best of the best will help Manchester United? Have people missed how we played against Everton and Ipswich only a few days ago? This mindset is what contributes to our issues these days. Always trying to shortcut stuff when it doesn't reap rewards for years.

Teams that are attempting to make the final step to win trophies should be the ones to splash that sort of cash, that go for the Kanes and Osimhens out there. United has no fecking business in such conversations.

His name is Garnacho...

Some fans will never learn. Sure, lets bring in players on their last legs on big wages because United needs good players right now. Makes sense. It did bite us in the back with Ronaldo, Varane and Casemiro but why not try it again and again until we finally land on the jackpot.

Perhaps the part where it says ‘his price is likely to be €70m but that is the sort of signing the club is loving away from’. The only metric that was mentioned in the post was a price or 70m. The other things like wages are not mentioned in the post, you have added them yourself and applied your own context.

 

[VP89]

Perhaps the part where it says ‘his price is likely to be €70m but that is the sort of signing the club is loving away from’. The only metric that was mentioned in the post was a price or 70m. The other things like wages are not mentioned in the post, you have added them yourself and applied your own context.

There was another credible reporter (I think Romano) who said that there's going to be no budge in Osimhen wage demands, and that's why the Chelsea deal fell through in the summer.

Edit: yeah think it was Romano, cited his wages were 12m EUR net a year.

 

[NZT-One]

Not fans, media, no United fan in his right mind would want a 32 year old Harry Kane on £300/400k per week, merely stating what’s being briefed in certain parts of the media, most man united fans with a semblance of intelligence realise that the club needs to be recruiting no one over the age of 26/27 in addition to targeting young upcoming players from 19-22, we do however need to bring in 1 or 2 experienced 25/26 year olds to improve one of the weakest spines currently in the EPL.

Thats one hell of sentence mate. But I agree with what you say, I guess I misunderstood your earlier post. One addition though: I personally am not hellbent on the age aspect. More on the money aspect. I have no issues at all adding players to the roster that are between 28 and 31 as long as their wages are reasonable and they don't come with a big risk of being sick notes. The issue with Ronaldo and Casemiro, in my eyes at least, wasn't age, it was age in connection with financial outlay. Also I think, at this point we aren't going to create a spine by adding players. The spine will emerge on its own, when we play start to become a functional side, that plays convincingly. It needs a bit of luck with injuries of course and it needs a little "gardening" in terms of problematic characters that don't put the team before everything else but I guess we'll get there naturally as long as we "simply" focus on ourselves and improve within our means.

We need a decent CM and a number 9, the reality with no European football, we’ll be shopping in Poundland and that is the harsh reality which needs little debating and little writing hypothetical lists of players we might or might not get!

I agree. I actually don't see Poundland as too much of an issue because at least, that would enable us to add a few more players at once to make a serious hit to the existing group, that potentially has some unproductive dynamics going on. I guess, most fans would happily take some time to set us up for the future even if it effects the results negatively for a while. But I think, this doesn't need the worlds best 17 year old or what not, squad composition is important and for multiple reasons the most important age bracket is severly underrepresented in our team. We need players that are within their physical primes or close before that so we can finally make sure not to get outfought and outrun anymore. Obviously, that combined with big playing ability is what drives prices so it will take compromises but I think it is the most promising way to doing it.

Perhaps the part where it says ‘his price is likely to be €70m but that is the sort of signing the club is loving away from’. The only metric that was mentioned in the post was a price or 70m. The other things like wages are not mentioned in the post, you have added them yourself and applied your own context.

Makes sense. Didn't expect somebody to go so literal about a tweet but yeah. Out of interest: you'd be up for bringing in Osimhen for say 70-75 million (pound or EUR whatever the tweet meant) and on a 280+k wages package for a 4 or 5 year deal?

 

[red_de_pologne]

Thats one hell of sentence mate. But I agree with what you say, I guess I misunderstood your earlier post. One addition though: I personally am not hellbent on the age aspect. More on the money aspect. I have no issues at all adding players to the roster that are between 28 and 31 as long as their wages are reasonable and they don't come with a big risk of being sick notes. The issue with Ronaldo and Casemiro, in my eyes at least, wasn't age, it was age in connection with financial outlay. Also I think, at this point we aren't going to create a spine by adding players. The spine will emerge on its own, when we play start to become a functional side, that plays convincingly. It needs a bit of luck with injuries of course and it needs a little "gardening" in terms of problematic characters that don't put the team before everything else but I guess we'll get there naturally as long as we "simply" focus on ourselves and improve within our means.

I agree. I actually don't see Poundland as too much of an issue because at least, that would enable us to add a few more players at once to make a serious hit to the existing group, that potentially has some unproductive dynamics going on. I guess, most fans would happily take some time to set us up for the future even if it effects the results negatively for a while. But I think, this doesn't need the worlds best 17 year old or what not, squad composition is important and for multiple reasons the most important age bracket is severly underrepresented in our team. We need players that are within their physical primes or close before that so we can finally make sure not to get outfought and outrun anymore. Obviously, that combined with big playing ability is what drives prices so it will take compromises but I think it is the most promising way to doing it.


Makes sense. Didn't expect somebody to go so literal about a tweet but yeah. Out of interest: you'd be up for bringing in Osimhen for say 70-75 million (pound or EUR whatever the tweet meant) and on a 280+k wages package for a 4 or 5 year deal?

Not on redcafe they wouldn't

 

[NZT-One]

Not on redcafe they wouldn't

Re-reading it, you might be right. But I think the tense situation we have right now is not just down to results but also the lifeless character of some performances. But yes, maybe a purge within the fanbase is also not the worst thing in the world.

 

[P-Nut]

We will sell the following ;
Sancho - £25m
Antony - £25m
Rashford - £40m
Garnaucho - £55m

All Four will go to bankroll the summer, plus at least 2/3 more players, if someone would pay £15/20m for Onana they will jettison him as well, wouldn’t surprise me if INEOS just clear the decks and conveniently use a 13th-16th league position to justify their decision?

Sancho breaks even on PSR
Antony is a loss on PSR
Rashford is profit
Garnacho is profit.

We'd also be extremely short of numbers. We've currently got 4 senior attackers and you would want to sell 1 meaning we'd need to sign 2 as a minimum, 3 to be secure

 

[Amir]

The issue is we’re a massive club and our strategy has been letting managers Willy nilly sign who they want. Then they get sacked, then we get a new manager who can’t work with these players and the cycle continues. For a club our size we really have to have a better strategy. Coaches and managers aren’t recruitment specialists, scouts or the ones who work on the deals. Who’s doing all our data analysis? Not one person at the club looked at Mason Mount and said it’s not value for money? That he was free a year later? That he is injury prone? Managers also don’t sign players. They give a list of players they would like to work with. The rest is on the club to negotiate.

It’s why we’ve signed one player we can outright call a success in 12 years and that’s Bruno. We probably have the worst recruitment in elite football.. but let’s keep shirking the blame on the men who come in to coach the team. At a club this size It’s ridiculous and will NEVER work.

What’s the plan next summer? RAID sporting Lisbon? Ask Rubin to pop us a shopping list and we’ll get them for him? Probably.

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I agree with most of this, although I also think that apart from signing the wrong players at the wrong time, we've also suffered from poor coaching. We did sign some good players since 2013, but whether they were proven players, young talents or even ones from the academy, nothing worked. Good players became bad, talented players failed to improve and lost their way.

So the coaches and the coaching did have some part in it. But ultimately, the issue was the people who chose those coaches.

As for next summer, I'd give the new people a chance before assuming they'll just do the same. Last summer was already partly different, even though we were clearly not fully set up yet. Dorgu looks OK, although it was very on. So what's the point in being so pessimistic...

 

[Woziak]

Sancho breaks even on PSR
Antony is a loss on PSR
Rashford is profit
Garnacho is profit.

We'd also be extremely short of numbers. We've currently got 4 senior attackers and you would want to sell 1 meaning we'd need to sign 2 as a minimum, 3 to be secure

Agree on this we will need 3 maybe 4 attacking players to come in, Anthony needs to be sold for £40m to break even and no one’s paying that for him but Garnaucho and Rashford if sold before July 1st will join McTominay and Greenwood combined £50m to make £140-145m net transfer profit in this years accounts.

 

[Dannn411]

Sancho breaks even on PSR
Antony is a loss on PSR
Rashford is profit
Garnacho is profit.

We'd also be extremely short of numbers. We've currently got 4 senior attackers and you would want to sell 1 meaning we'd need to sign 2 as a minimum, 3 to be secure

We are not going to sign 3 to 4 attackers anytime soon. Only option is to give youngsters a chance.

 

[ForeverRed1]

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I agree with most of this, although I also think that apart from signing the wrong players at the wrong time, we've also suffered from poor coaching. We did sign some good players since 2013, but whether they were proven players, young talents or even ones from the academy, nothing worked. Good players became bad, talented players failed to improve and lost their way.

So the coaches and the coaching did have some part in it. But ultimately, the issue was the people who chose those coaches.

As for next summer, I'd give the new people a chance before assuming they'll just do the same. Last summer was already partly different, even though we were clearly not fully set up yet. Dorgu looks OK, although it was very on. So what's the point in being so pessimistic...

It’s not being pessimistic. It’s a realisation that something has to significantly change at the club. We can’t keep repeating the same pattern and calling it the managers fault.


No coach has done it, no coach has succeeded, what does that tell you? We simply employ bad coaches? Or could it be that it goes way beyond coaching. The club is rotten to the core. Not pessimistic, just a realisation particularly since Amorim has taken over.

 

[Woziak]

Just resign Danny Wellbeck on a 2 year contract he’ll still get more goal and assists than Hojlund and Zirkzee do together?

 

[Amir]

It’s not being pessimistic. It’s a realisation that something has to significantly change at the club. We can’t keep repeating the same pattern and calling it the managers fault.


No coach has done it, no coach has succeeded, what does that tell you? We simply employ bad coaches? Or could it be that it goes way beyond coaching. The club is rotten to the core. Not pessimistic, just a realisation particularly since Amorim has taken over.

Of course it wasn't just the managers. It was everyone. And like I wrote - it started with the people appointing the coaches and making the decisions.

"Rotten to the core" is such a general term. Ultimately, it's about making decisions and the people making them since 2013 were clearly the wrong ones. Now we have different people making decisions in all department. It's not a guarentee but ultimately, it's the only way things will change - having people who will make good decisions.

 

[ForeverRed1]

Of course it wasn't just the managers. It was everyone. And like I wrote - it started with the people appointing the coaches and making the decisions.

"Rotten to the core" is such a general term. Ultimately, it's about making decisions and the people making them since 2013 were clearly the wrong ones. Now we have different people making decisions in all department. It's not a guarentee but ultimately, it's the only way things will change - having people who will make good decisions.

What do you think of their decisions in the first year, generally speaking?

 

[Amir]

What do you think of their decisions in the first year, generally speaking?

Not good. But I'm willing to give them leeway as I always said they'd making some mistakes.

We were clearly not full set up when last season ended and that had an effect on some of the issues. This summer I'd be expecting them to do things much better and tighter. Hopefully we'll have the means for it as well...

 

[G-manc]

We will sell the following ;
Sancho - £25m
Antony - £25m
Rashford - £40m
Garnaucho - £55m

All Four will go to bankroll the summer, plus at least 2/3 more players, if someone would pay £15/20m for Onana they will jettison him as well, wouldn’t surprise me if INEOS just clear the decks and conveniently use a 13th-16th league position to justify their decision?

Antony will add nothing due to amortisation - I think we’d need about £33 just to break even on him.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

I need to clear this up as this is becoming a common misconception. Zirkzee may have seemed like a ten Hag signing given their past connections and similar backgrounds, but Whitwell and other reliable journalists reported that Zirkzee is a club signing and not one driven by ten Hag.

That may or may not be true, but ultimately Whitwell, Ornstein, etc. report what the club briefs them, so I'd take that with a grain of salt.

 

[WouterWeghorst]

I need to clear this up as this is becoming a common misconception. Zirkzee may have seemed like a ten Hag signing given their past connections and similar backgrounds, but Whitwell and other reliable journalists reported that Zirkzee is a club signing and not one driven by ten Hag.

What passed connections? They’ve not been working together ar all before hand and Zirkzee is not the type of striker eth has ever used. Nonsense connection from the Brits who think every Dutchman knows each other.

 

[P-Nut]

We are not going to sign 3 to 4 attackers anytime soon. Only option is to give youngsters a chance.

Yeah I agree, the OP stated we needed to spend 120m on 2 players and I said there is no chance of that happening because we're skint. They gave me that list of players as profit makers

 

[Sea-Cow]

Just resign Danny Wellbeck on a 2 year contract he’ll still get more goal and assists than Hojlund and Zirkzee do together?

Well that would be achieved with just one or two of each, so yes, yes Danny could do that easily. Even with all of his regular injuries, Danny could out score them both.

 

[Posh Red]

What on earth is Poundland? Please don’t tell me that’s a nickname for a United player.

Edit: I misread and it was an analogy about buying cheaper players. Please ignore!

 

[bb8]

Antony will add nothing due to amortisation - I think we’d need about £33 just to break even on him.

Are you just talking about for this summer? Because over the next two years Anthony's amortization hits the books one way or another. Any amount of sale will decrease the PSR hit from his original transfer long-term, and you get all his wages off the books too.

To be super clear, ALL players will improve your PSR position in the long-term when sold. And the mid club surely should be focused on the long-term, so people should be loudly cheering transfers like Sancho, Antony, etc. they put us in a much better position relative to keeping them on our bench.

 

[croadyman]

Just resign Danny Wellbeck on a 2 year contract he’ll still get more goal and assists than Hojlund and Zirkzee do together?

He's definitely got better with age

 

[mazhar13]

Tier 3:

 

[Remember the geese]

Tier 3:

The bench it is then.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Tier 3:

He might change his mind when he's sitting on the bench

 

[Dannn411]

Tier 3:

Doesn't matter what he wants. Nobody cares.

 

[Matt851]

Doesn't matter what he wants. Nobody cares.

Except it really just means he knows he won't get the same wage elsewhere and won't reduce his salary

 

[Red_toad]

Except it really just means he knows he won't get the same wage elsewhere and won't reduce his salary

If we replace him, being humiliated sat on the bench week after week would be hard to take for him. Tbh Ruben could well drop those he doesn’t want from the squad altogether.
I don’t see many United players actually saying they want to leave when asked. But in reality they probably are.
Casemiro is a bigger issue as he’s on vastly bigger wages. I’d say he’s only here as we have Ugarte in midfield with no viable replacement, aside from Toby who starts ahead of him anyways.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Tier 3:

Oh I hope the club are intent on hitting the eject button

 

[MUEricTheKing]

We could have bought Kane for the same money splashed on Højlund and Zirkzee.
sliding doors :-)

 

[G-manc]

Are you just talking about for this summer? Because over the next two years Anthony's amortization hits the books one way or another. Any amount of sale will decrease the PSR hit from his original transfer long-term, and you get all his wages off the books too.

To be super clear, ALL players will improve your PSR position in the long-term when sold. And the mid club surely should be focused on the long-term, so people should be loudly cheering transfers like Sancho, Antony, etc. they put us in a much better position relative to keeping them on our bench.

Yeah, I meant this summer.

I get you could sell him for less than that and get his wages off the books etc., but it can’t be a lowball offer for it to make sense. There’s not much money in Spain as far as I can tell and i don’t see Betis stumping up £25m plus.

I was more questioning it adding to any transfer pot as such as opposed to the pure profit of a Rashford et al.

 

[mazhar13]

Tier 2:

• United are one of the interested clubs alongside Arsenal and Tottenham.
• Currently, the release clause amount is at €70m but will likely increase to €80m by the end of the season.

 

[spwd]

Tier 3:

Booo!

 

[The Cat]

Tier 3:

How is it even his decision?

 

[CallyRed]

Tier 3:

Finally some positive news

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Yeah, I meant this summer.

I get you could sell him for less than that and get his wages off the books etc., but it can’t be a lowball offer for it to make sense. There’s not much money in Spain as far as I can tell and i don’t see Betis stumping up £25m plus.

I was more questioning it adding to any transfer pot as such as opposed to the pure profit of a Rashford et al.

Well, the actual cash we would get would certainly help the transfer pot. That's more of a constraint at the moment than PSR, so I'll take it.

 

[Withnail]

How is it even his decision?

Nobody's decided anything. It's a bullshit article which says very little and cobbles together a bunch of information and some quotes about Onana but none from the player.

He's under contract and wants to stay but there's no decision to be made in his part unless the club puts him on the market, which they haven't done yet.

The trigger for article appears to be that he's switched agencies and when questioned about why, 'a source' clarified that it was for personal reasons and not because he was looking to move clubs.

 

[Longlivekeano]

Just glad it’s an away game for our schoolboys United

 

[Plant0x84]

Tier 3:

Kick a club while it’s down why dontcha!