Totally agree look at Gykores record against his for actually playing, it beggars belief when the manager knows him we are not in for Viktor Gykores, guys a goal machine.
Transfer Tweets - Manchester United - 2024/25
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Sounds like he wants to go elsewhere, let's face it we aren't exactly attractive proposition right now
Maybe that’s the case?
There were so many articles about how mount was ten hags priority when we signed him. Also hojlund may not have been his first choice but is represented by ten hags mate /agent
Just because a player didn't play for ETH before doesn't mean he wasn't "his" signing like others.
Think you’re misunderstanding what he means by ETH and non-ETH signings. All were obviously signed by him but it’s clearly split between people who had played for him before, and those who hadn’t. And it didn’t make a difference either way, they’ve all been shite…mostly, regardless. Point being we shouldn’t beat RA over the head if he gets some sporting players in because history suggests that prior relationship or not, once they join utd, they’ll soon turn to shit.
The argument people have made repeatedly is that we shouldn't sign players from the manager's former team. If you are also saying we shouldn't sign anyone a manager rates or is represented by one of the handful of global agencies, then I'm not sure where we should sign players from.
I've only followed those types of arguments from afar. But I thought the main points about the ETH signings wasn't just that he'd worked with some of them, but that many of the others were also Dutch or Eredivisie based. So that would include players like Mount, Malacia, Zirkzee, etc, as they were either Dutch or had impressed in the Eredivisie.
I thought the worry was that we seemed to be mostly narrowing it down very much to those types of players with very specific links, rather than taking advantage of our scouting of players from all over the world.
Mount? You don’t mean that loan when he was a kid do you?
Sounds perfect!
Well obviously, yeah, that was the point being made by people. When else did he play in the Eredivisie? As one of the posts I quoted mentioned, there was much made about how ETH had been a fan of his since that loan in Holland.
But by all means exclude Mount from the debate. Makes no difference to me. There were plenty of others that would be included even if you don't allow early loans.
Personally, I've no issue with players signing some players that they've had earlier links with. Though can acknowledge the point that was made that there was probably too high a percentage in the ETH signings.
I need to clear this up as this is becoming a common misconception. Zirkzee may have seemed like a ten Hag signing given their past connections and similar backgrounds, but Whitwell and other reliable journalists reported that Zirkzee is a club signing and not one driven by ten Hag.
But he suited ten hag's system, we just never really got to see it (palace game aside) before ETH was fired. I'm not so sure he suits Amorim's system.
So who is your backup to Osimhen as starting to sound like we won't pay for him either
Osimhen and Gyokeres were never going to happen. They are too expensive, too high profile and frankly too old for the INEOS MO. If we do buy a striker it’ll be someone like Delap - young and cheap - and preferably PL experienced so he doesn’t have to settle and can hit the ground running.
Our days of mega money big name signings are over.
Our days of mega money big name signings are over.
The only problem with Delap - is he isn't good enough. But signing Gomes and David on a free would be brilliant. Would greatly improve us and we could still save our money for 2-3 big signings
I haven’t paid enough attention to Delap to judge, my comment was just based on the hype around him. I think he’s the profile we’ll go for though. Helps that he is likely being relegated too. Could pick up a few low key bargains.
We should also be looking at the likes of Dibling and personally I’d have a punt on Ramsdale too. Can’t be worse than Onana.
Also the obvious Cunha and Ait Nouri too.
I think Liam De Lap will just be a similar situation to Rasmus, I’d get Johnathan David with Angel Gomes both signed up asap on a free, then see whether SJR is FOS with his Harry Kane Briefing.
He would be 32 but easily worth a 2+1 contract as he could play seemlessly in one of the number 10’s behind a pacey striker.
My issue is that if the club continues to target young talents and worse foreign young players, we will not improve next season.
United need to invest in a strong spine and players with real leadership qualities. We need to get rid of Onana and bring in a new GK, I think we need to find a CB like Johnathon Tah on a free and then invest £120(£55-60m each) on an elite Midfielder and an Elite CF.
These are the key positions, how did Villa manage to get in a 29 year old class act like Ascenso who suits the right 10 as much as anyone.
In answer to your question it has to be;
Rashford, Hojlund, Antony, Sancho out
And Johnathon David definitely in and then one of the following four players to join him;
Gykores, Osimhen, Kane or Cunha
Plus B Mbeumo or M Ascenso(R10)
And if Garnaucho goes then another young attacking player like T Dybling or C Rigg.
We also need to make a decision on Mason Mount, if he can’t contribute because his body breaks down, he needs to go in the summer as well!
Man United can never have another season like this?
We haven't got 120m we're completely skint.
What have I missed?
But that is so tenuous.
Mount played one season as a teenager on loan in the Eredivisie.. I would imagine his performances in the PL, and a CL-winning team would carry far more weight. Malacia was a cheap squad signing and had no prior links to Ten Hag. Zirkzee spent as much time in Germany and Italy as he did the Netherlands. He was signed off the back of being Seria A young player of the year.
It's just people wanting to create a narrative that isn't really supported when scrutinised. Our recruitment hasn't been good enough for about 17-18 years now. The last time we nailed it was the summer of 2007. Have managers had too much influence during that time? Probably. Does that mean we shouldn't take their input at all? Or course not, as that would be making a different mistake.
Yet reliable Turkish source says us and Arsenal are looking to activate clause in the summer
aka no one has a fecking clue.
Yeah the club prefer to sign strikers that don't score goals.
Guy has scored 134 goals and 26 assists in 250 games since 2016/17. Proved his goal threat in 5 different leagues. "Doesn't score goals"
Guy has scored 134 goals and 26 assists in 250 games since 2016/17. Proved his goal threat in 5 different leagues. "Doesn't score goals"
That's his point. The club isn't looking at Osimhen because they prefer strikers who don't score goals, like Hojlund and Zirkzee.
The issue is we’re a massive club and our strategy has been letting managers Willy nilly sign who they want. Then they get sacked, then we get a new manager who can’t work with these players and the cycle continues. For a club our size we really have to have a better strategy. Coaches and managers aren’t recruitment specialists, scouts or the ones who work on the deals. Who’s doing all our data analysis? Not one person at the club looked at Mason Mount and said it’s not value for money? That he was free a year later? That he is injury prone? Managers also don’t sign players. They give a list of players they would like to work with. The rest is on the club to negotiate.
It’s why we’ve signed one player we can outright call a success in 12 years and that’s Bruno. We probably have the worst recruitment in elite football.. but let’s keep shirking the blame on the men who come in to coach the team. At a club this size It’s ridiculous and will NEVER work.
What’s the plan next summer? RAID sporting Lisbon? Ask Rubin to pop us a shopping list and we’ll get them for him? Probably.
Whomp whompGuy has scored 134 goals and 26 assists in 250 games since 2016/17. Proved his goal threat in 5 different leagues. "Doesn't score goals"
Imagine a player who costs just €70m being the sort of signing Manchester United ‘no longer wants to make’. This club seemingly intends to win the league in a couple of years by only signing players for 30m or something, they are completely deluded.
It ain’t about the price it’s about the quality. Yes more quality usually cost a lot more money but I also believe you can pick up some real gems for a lot less than some of the players we’ve been signing. We just have to widen our scouting. There’s quality in South America, even in the French league and the French league players don’t usually cost to much.
We will sell the following ;
Sancho - £25m
Antony - £25m
Rashford - £40m
Garnaucho - £55m
All Four will go to bankroll the summer, plus at least 2/3 more players, if someone would pay £15/20m for Onana they will jettison him as well, wouldn’t surprise me if INEOS just clear the decks and conveniently use a 13th-16th league position to justify their decision?
Some unreliable sources online are saying it’s SJR dream to get Harry Kane this summer, yep I’m sure at 32 he would come to bottom 6 club without European football just more SPINEOS media BS!
So unreliable bs source = ineos media spin? No chance it’s made up?
We should definitely believe EVERYTHING we read on the internet. Seems reasonable.
I assume it's also the higher wages and signing on fees, agent fees, etc, that also come with established players like that.
They seem to be mostly looking more at less established players who'll demand less of those types of extra cost on top of the transfer fee.
Whether they'll make an exception for such an important position I don't know. Or maybe they'll take another gamble on an as yet unproven player with high potential. The trouble is if you do the former, and pay high wages, signing on fees, etc, it sets a higher level and other targets then demand higher. As has been our problem for over a decade now. So I can see why they'd try to establish that they're moving away from that and that the highest wages will be lower than previously.
But I agree about the transfer fee part. We paid similar to that for Yoro, and should be prepared to pay it for a first choice #9. But now they seem to have started looking at lower transfer fees which, as you say, won't make us competitive for major honours.
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The Turkish source very likely has Osimhen's agent as a source, which can just be engineering interest which we see commonly with our club.
I'll start giving the link some credibility when reporters affiliated closer to our club confirm the same. I'd like for it to be true, there's a comfort in playing a striker who can score a goal
I think perhaps you need to look at it from the POV that we need to build a solid base first and then supplement it with elite talent. Liverpool showed us the way
You sure, thats your position on that? Whats in that post makes you think, that it is the 70 million part that the club has problems with (if the info is correct anyway)? A player like Osimhen is going to want a huge wage package and he is going to expect to be used a certain way. Osimhen is a very good player no doubt but given that there are so many issues to be adressed across the whole squad, why do fans always act as if only the best of the best will help Manchester United? Have people missed how we played against Everton and Ipswich only a few days ago? This mindset is what contributes to our issues these days. Always trying to shortcut stuff when it doesn't reap rewards for years.
Teams that are attempting to make the final step to win trophies should be the ones to splash that sort of cash, that go for the Kanes and Osimhens out there. United has no fecking business in such conversations.
His name is Garnacho...
Some fans will never learn. Sure, lets bring in players on their last legs on big wages because United needs good players right now. Makes sense. It did bite us in the back with Ronaldo, Varane and Casemiro but why not try it again and again until we finally land on the jackpot.
Woooooooooosh.Guy has scored 134 goals and 26 assists in 250 games since 2016/17. Proved his goal threat in 5 different leagues. "Doesn't score goals"
Kane could be on walking sticks and yet some would still talk about signing him