Transfer Tweets - Manchester United - 2023/24

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How did Nike do it then? Think it would be pretty easy to if they wanted to, they clearly don't want to though - hence the loan talk now.
Employment contract and sponsorship contact are likely to have very different clauses regarding early termination - with the bar for the first one being significantly higher
 
I read somewhere it was due to a clause in his contract, but I'm not sure if that has ever been confirmed.
Employment contract and sponsorship contact are likely to have very different clauses regarding early termination - with the bar for the first one being significantly higher
I'd be surprised if a multi million pound contract didn't have something similar to protect the employer.
 
On what grounds, it has been the club's choice not to play him, nothing has been proven, the charges were dropped, he is still in a relationship with the same girl, she is heavily pregnant, they are getting married and her dad came out and defended him.....

DO NOT get me wrong I am not defending Greenwood or advocating for him, or in any other way defending abusers, just asking you say "if he were a lesser player he'd be gone", legally on what grounds could you terminate his contract of employment?
I think you’ve misunderstood me.

By ‘he’d be gone’ I mean they’d have just shipped him off to some 2nd division foreign club & washed their hands of him. The trouble is he’s a very promising footballer. I’m not a fan of this hedging of bets; either Manchester United football club think he should play again, in which case United is as good, if not better, an option than any other or they don’t which means offer him out for free but we all know the latter isn’t happening so instead of posturing bring him back.

For me, I think if people are happy for him to be loaned to ‘see if he’s still any good’ then that’s hypocritical. If he went on loan & scored 20 goals those people that don’t want him to play will change their tune quick enough.

This whole situation should have been dealt with ages ago.

Yes but he wasn't a lesser player, he was one of the most promising players in the world. It's not that strange that a big sporting insitution wouldn't release a valuable asset outright especially when all the charges have been dropped. It's a business, it’s pretty clear at this point the club doesn't care about ethics. That said I agree with your other post, they need to make a decision quickly. Hopefully this move helps us acquire Hojlund and everybody's happy again.
I don’t mean release him, see above.
 
I think you’ve misunderstood me.

By ‘he’d be gone’ I mean they’d have just shipped him off to some 2nd division foreign club & washed their hands of him. The trouble is he’s a very promising footballer. I’m not a fan of this hedging of bets; either Manchester United football club think he should play again, in which case United is as good, if not better, an option than any other or they don’t which means offer him out for free but we all know the latter isn’t happening so instead of posturing bring him back.

For me, I think if people are happy for him to be loaned to ‘see if he’s still any good’ then that’s hypocritical. If he went on loan & scored 20 goals those people that don’t want him to play will change their tune quick enough.

This whole situation should have been dealt with ages ago.


I don’t mean release him, see above.

I think you overestimate United’s ability to ship people off even if they wanted to.

Bailly & Telles are still on the books and they are much lesser players.
 
I'd be surprised if a multi million pound contract didn't have something similar to protect the employer.
Sure it would have - but only for things like becoming a convincted criminal. If Greenwood was convicted then I am sure we would have been able to terminate him immediately.

But he wasn't - legally it was just an investigation opened and closed and player's agents/lawyers would not greenlight him signing a contract with such a low bar for termination from club's side. Sponsorship contracts are a different matter and even here it is possible that he could sue Nike.
 
I think you overestimate United’s ability to ship people off even if they wanted to.

Bailly & Telles are still on the books and they are much lesser players.
The fact United are considering keeping him shows the talent he is considered to be.

I get the point but Bailly & Telles ain’t Greenwood. If you told clubs on the continent you want rid on moral grounds for a minimal fee he’d be gone already.
 
I think you’ve misunderstood me.

By ‘he’d be gone’ I mean they’d have just shipped him off to some 2nd division foreign club & washed their hands of him. The trouble is he’s a very promising footballer. I’m not a fan of this hedging of bets; either Manchester United football club think he should play again, in which case United is as good, if not better, an option than any other or they don’t which means offer him out for free but we all know the latter isn’t happening so instead of posturing bring him back.

For me, I think if people are happy for him to be loaned to ‘see if he’s still any good’ then that’s hypocritical. If he went on loan & scored 20 goals those people that don’t want him to play will change their tune quick enough.

This whole situation should have been dealt with ages ago.


I don’t mean release him, see above.
At this point he can't play for the first team (not match fit and emotionally he will get hammered by the fans) and if he is sold it would be for a cut down price. I actually believe that within the club there are still differing opinions what to do with him long term. Those that want to keep him, realise that a loan will help him get match fit and get him used to some of the fan animosity he may receive in England. Those that want him out will still want a good fee for him, and a good loan spell, scoring 20+ goals for a top Italian side, would certainly help increase his transfer value. A loan is a good way of kicking the can down the road for both sides, and ultimately the new owners (if it ever happens) can be the ones to decide. Therefore, despite the fact that everyone would like to know either way, a loan seems like the obvious conclusion.
 
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Sure it would have - but only for things like becoming a convincted criminal. If Greenwood was convicted then I am sure we would have been able to terminate him immediately.

But he wasn't - legally it was just an investigation opened and closed and player's agents/lawyers would not greenlight him signing a contract with such a low bar for termination from club's side. Sponsorship contracts are a different matter and even here it is possible that he could sue Nike.
The bar for being able for an employer is definitely isn't just being a convicted criminal either. It all comes down to whether an employee wants to get rid of you or not, it's not that it's difficult in an instance like this with modern company codes of conduct, etc.
 
Not convinced by him, but this doesn't make sense. Surely he needs to prove himself at the highest level (Premier League), and then we decide whether to cash in or keep. Proving yourself in the championship does nothing for him or the club.
Not convinced on Amad?! Are you serious?

One of the most exciting young talents in world football
 
Not convinced on Amad?! Are you serious?

One of the most exciting young talents in world football
So was Sancho supposedly, I haven't seen enough of Amad yet to form an opinion yet though
 
How did Nike do it then? Think it would be pretty easy to if they wanted to, they clearly don't want to though - hence the loan talk now.
Think Nike, as a several hundred billion dollar brand will do whatever they want, while based in the US
 
Think Nike, as a several hundred billion dollar brand will do whatever they want, while based in the US
Agreed, but it's mainly to illustrate the point if companies want to terminate a contract when something like this happens, they can. It's not like we want to and can't, we clearly don't want to and that's why we're sending him out on loan.
 
The original Amad Tweet (Tier 4):

If we're sending him to the Championship then it makes no sense to send him anywhere else than to Sunderland. Unless obviously this acts as a sweetener for our interest in Lavia or something like that.
 
For me, I think if people are happy for him to be loaned to ‘see if he’s still any good’ then that’s hypocritical. If he went on loan & scored 20 goals those people that don’t want him to play will change their tune quick enough.
Even if he never plays for United, it’s better to receive money for
 
Theres no chance we're in for Frimpong.
AWB improved a lot as the season went on so I don't see us selling him.
The fact we gave Dalot a new contract suggests we're happy at RB
 
AWB improved a lot as the season went on so I don't see us selling him.
His improvement just means increase in his potential sale price - it doesn’t mean he won’t be sold to purchase another player if that’s what the manager plans
 
Theres no chance we're in for Frimpong.
AWB improved a lot as the season went on so I don't see us selling him.
The fact we gave Dalot a new contract suggests we're happy at RB
I don't think we will sign a right back either. Make no mistake though, we do need a serious upgrade. Wan-Bissaka had a decent second half of the season, but him and Dalot aren't good enough.
 
Theres no chance we're in for Frimpong.
AWB improved a lot as the season went on so I don't see us selling him.
The fact we gave Dalot a new contract suggests we're happy at RB
Another season of inconsistency from both and a new first choice RB will be signed next summer. But yeah, think the RB ship has sailed for this summer.
 
When we could have got him on a free last year I’m not sure it is.
We could not have gotten him on a free last year. Inter had CL football and a better squad. He agreed to go there before Ten Hag moved to MU I believe.
 
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