He was good in the final but we are not talking about one off games here are we , he is overall decent player who should not be anything more than a Squad option for us going forward based on his current level and he isn't hard to displace either any half decent midfielder can adequately replace whatever he brings to table without much problem.
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Agree he had an absolute cracking game that night, his ball control was fantastic and suprised me with how well he kept the ball. I would move Fred back to the bench and McT and a new holding mid added to the squad. I see McT as more of a box to box type player, with the ability to sit back and protect. He has loads of good things about his game, with Fred I dont know anything hes especially good at or what his speciality is.
I thought he was just on loan to Atlanta?
Wouldn’t it be Juventus rejecting the bid?
They have an 16m euro option to buy, which they'll be taking up.
So we would have to deal with Juve if we want the player, don’t we? Since he’ll be their player when they exercise the option to buy
Never watched him play but just based on the highlight reel he makes Bailly look relatively sane. Sign him up
Atalanta have an option to buy. They will do so and then immediately turn a 24 million profit.
He is currently a Juventus player on loan to Atalanta. Once Atalanta exercise the option to buy, he'll permanently be a Atalanta player. Hence why we're probably in informal negotiations with them as they know that he will be their player soon.
All right cheers lads. I thought he’s an Atalanta player all along
Seems like the Adama Traore alternative, that guy is also pure speed on the wing.
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Looks like Matt Law himself is relying on Bild for the release clause info. It's amazing to see how everyone reliable has latched onto that loose range. It makes me wonder if they really believe that Bild has legit info or if they're going with whatever's reported as there's nothing else around.
Do not want
Can't believe he's still only 22, that's mad. He's been around for at least ten years surely.
"free" How much was Raiolas cut?
Almost. 6 at the top level already.
Milan really showed him and Raiola..
Well the first mistake is to assume that these people are reliable conveyors of truth, rather than the click/like/retweet farmers that they are.
Well the first mistake is to assume that these people are reliable conveyors of truth, rather than the click/like/retweet farmers that they are.
Have you watched him much?
I feel they did though - they won't tolerate their BS and be held ransom financially. It sets a precedent. If enough clubs do the same than a big part of Raiola's influence is capped as he waits for players to kill contracts before being able to shift.
Over 10 times this past season and he hasn't impressed at all, add the fact that Argies never work out at United.
Is there a reason that we're all conveniently glossing over this? We know that Dortmund don't budge (see last summer with Sancho). What makes people think that Dortmund will budge over Haaland? @Damien made this point before, yet people still think that Dortmund will somehow give in.
I dont, but I think Roman will.
Silly question. Everyone here is an expert on every player to have ever played the game.
I really don't see them budging. Considering there's a gentleman's agreement to sell Sancho (which will net them about €90 mil) there's no financial reason to let him go unless its crazy money. They might make big money but they'd be selling their top 2 players for Goals and assists in a season where they, at times, looked like they wouldn't make the Champions League. I am sure Haaland will go next summer for a pre-agreed fee but i don't see Dortmund being forced to sell this year.
If reports are to be believed they they did make the best offer they could possibly make and then Donnarumma decided to turn it down, because he could get a better offer elsewhere and it appears he did. No lesson was learned.
Well the logic with Sancho and others was that if they can get x amount of money now, they can get about the same the next summer (perhaps minus a few millions, because the contract is one year shorter - but keeping a star player for another year probably makes up for that). With Haaland, assuming the clause does exist, this doesn't necessarily apply, so in theory there could be an offer that exceeds the release clause's fee so greatly that it's not worth it to keep him another for another season. But without knowing anything concrete about the clause and considering Sancho may actually leave already it's hard to guess where Dortmund's limit would be.
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I won’t disagree with your rating of his performance in the EL final. But he’s not consistent enough. He gets the occasional 8/10 performance and y’all wank yourselves silly. He’s also best as a B2B, in my opinion so he would benefit from playing beside a stronger defensive/holding midfielder.
Obviously I’m still hoping he can step up and find more consistency as I have a soft spot for homegrown academy players, however I don’t think you can argue that we shouldn’t be looking to upgrade on either Fred or him.
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McT/Fred/VdB— Fernandes— Pogba
DM will hold his position, stepping in as a third CB when transitioning into defence, because the two fullbacks will push up. VdB will play against smaller teams who hold a deep defensive line.
I can’t start new threads as a newbie, but I’ve been wanting to start a thread on how we should set up next season.
I did worry when I saw he was Argentinian.
Dortmund sticking to their promise to Sancho is more probable:
- if they sell Sancho now they get 80 mil + addons
- if they sell him next year, they get 40 mil tops, as he'll be in the last year of his contract so they'd be missing on about 60 mil
Getting 125-135 mil for Haaland now and not selling Sancho is not worth the wait as the difference in profit is rather marginal.
Makes sense. Varane hasn't signed his new contract at Madrid yet.
In the end it's all figure of speech. If course Dortmund would've sold Sancho last year even after the deadline if somebody offered 1bn €. Now the question is, where is the limit. They wouldn't have sold for the same price as before the deadline but it would've needed an offer thea consider to be too good to refuse, probably also in tge 200m range. Maybe 200m for Haaland is deemed such an offer, who knows. Especially since Haaland seems to have a release clause in 2022 while Sancho never had one. I wouldn't rule it out but it surely seems very unlikely.
We'll see how far Dortmund will push him and Chelsea, but as it stands, they haven't even given any indication to the public that there's even a condition where they will sell Haaland.
Yeah, I can see the different between the release clause and a potential offer being too good for Dortmund. If that was the case, then wouldn't Watzke have given out hints indicating this? Last summer, with Sancho, he was very clear about a possible sale. With Haaland, however, he's been the exact opposite.
Regardless, we haven't seen them linked to any new strikers. Last summer, when Sancho was leaving, Dortmund was getting linked to several players who they were monitoring, with Ikoné being one of them. This summer, however, I've yet to read about them being linked to a striker from more reliable sources (in or outside of Germany). Does that not give us an idea of Dortmund's plans for next season (i.e. keep Haaland)? Maybe in the next few days/weeks, we'll see more stories come out depending on how Chelsea's talks fare (with Haaland's camp, mainly).
I'm on the same page as you two. I didn't necessarily mean to call out everyone with my OP, but I felt like too many people were jumping to conclusions with Haaland based on the positive tones of the Chelsea reporters (except for Steinberg).
Oh I got that. Was concurring with what you said!
The way I see it, they get 80 mil + addons for Sancho from us and they keep Haaland for one more season, his 30 goals a season guaranteeing them another UCL campaign.
If they sell both for 220-240 mil they get the money but let's be honest, those two are impossible to replace in the same season, especially with the other clubs knowing Dortmund just received a shit ton of money for both of them. Everyone and their dog will bump the prices with an extra 20-30 mil.
The way I see it, there's 0 reason to panic, Haaland is not going to Chelsea, Dortmund's economics being the main reason.
Yes, Watzke's positioning would indeed be a bit strange if Haaland's release clause was so low next season. If it is the quote 75m €, it would make no sense to not sell him for like 120+ m € this summer and block everything from the very beginning. Maybe the clause is structured a bit differently and the 75m € is what would end in Dortmund's pockets. In the Sancho saga, a similar information surfaced recently and it would explain the varying sums reported in the media. Apparently, when Dortmund gets 95m € immediately, 80m € of those would go to them and the remaining 15m to City.
BuI believe that when one of the Dortmund officials say they don't want to sell, it'll take a ridiculous some to make them eat their words. As said, an offer you can't refuse - but those offers are usually by nature too bad to be made.
Moreover, I can't imagine that they take back the promise they made to Sancho of him being allowed to leave if somebody offers enough. Nor do I think that they would sell both in one window. So maybe the Haaland deal will only be accepted if the Sancho deadline has run out without anybody paying up. But it's all just speculation in the end.
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