ash_86
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Omitting or changing relevant parts of a quote also qualifies as word games, mate. Pogba's answer was non-committal. Could be is not the same as it is. The only insinuation from that quote is that he would be open to the right move, which is nothing, really. Everyone could say that about their current employment status.
I wasn't deliberately misconstruing his words I looked up the quote since and posted it. In any case I think it was deliberately inflammatory and given all the speculation,deliberately expressing a will to move. Fair enough if you want to give him benefit of doubt, but for me there's been a problem, and split opinions, under Ferguson, mourinho and now solskjaer and in all of those cases he's done not nearly enough to see how he's worth the hassle he causes.
Don't get me wrong, I think there was a lot of misinformation out there as to what he said exactly. I'd recalled it as a "maybe", lots of media outlets reported it as "time for a new challenge". When Ole says there's an agenda out there about Pogba, he's not far off from the truth. Yes, he likes the attention and it seems like it takes up too much of his time but he was far and away our best player last year so I'm fine with keeping him. We'll either get what we've been getting, a great but fairly inconsistent player or he'll become better.
If only there was a way for Pogba to put an end to all the speculation...
That is good way to do it. You make a deal with lets say Palace. Buy me that player and then sell him to us plus few million for effort. Real did it in the pastSo Leicester sign Perez from Newcastle, a first team regular who scored something like 15 goals for them for 30m, but they value Longstaff, a kid with 9 first team appearances at 50m? Guaranteed that if a small club came in for Longstaff they probably could have got him for 20m of less. Thanks but no thanks Newcastle. They are well within their right to value a player at what ever price they want, but if we paid that much for him I would hope Woodward would be fired the next day...
Don't think Lukaku is on par with them. I expected a lot more goals out of him. At Everton in his his last season he scored 25 league goals, I expected him to score at least that many for us. Someone of his supposed ability for a top club should not go on a run of 2 and a half months without scoring a league goal, this is totally unacceptable. He dropped from scoring 43 League goals in two seasons at Everton to 28 in 2 seasons in League for us. Not a return I would expect from a so-called top class striker.Yeah, I’m not his biggest fan but outside of Aguero and Kane (the only two elite strikers in the PL) he’s easily on par with the rest of his contemporaries in the league. Yet he’s somehow perceived as a bumbling oaf, while the others are still seen far more positively for similar stats and contributions.
Would take £60m today just to get him out quick to give us time to get a replacement in.It's kind of asking for too much still. 60m would be great. I mean he's 2 years older and 20 stone fatter.
That is good way to do it. You make a deal with lets say Palace. Buy me that player and then sell him to us plus few million for effort. Real did it in the past
And then Ed Woodward ended up paying four times the amount, plus the effort bonus.That is good way to do it. You make a deal with lets say Palace. Buy me that player and then sell him to us plus few million for effort. Real did it in the past
I'm not sure about Maguire really, I don't see anything so special about him but at the same time He'll improve us.
He's more likely to dye his hair in Real Madrid colors.If only there was a way for Pogba to put an end to all the speculation...
Says more about our club than him. Literally every signing turns sht after they sign. Coincidence? I think not. If you had to bet your house on a player scoring 20 goals outside the top bracket players - Kane, Aguero, Ronaldo, Messie, Neymar etc then Lukaku would be up there as long as he was playing and the team played to his strengths. But that applies to all players. I bet Messie would be sht in our team, like he is for Argentina. If pushed came to shove 99 percent of United fans would bet their house on Lukaku scoring the most goals in our team. Not saying he shouldn't be sold. Just that he is not sht like everyone makes him out to be. But if we refuse to play a system that suits him then whats the point of him. He will be banging in goals for fun in Italy that you can guarantee.Don't think Lukaku is on par with them. I expected a lot more goals out of him. At Everton in his his last season he scored 25 league goals, I expected him to score at least that many for us. Someone of his supposed ability for a top club should not go on a run of 2 and a half months without scoring a league goal, this is totally unacceptable. He dropped from scoring 43 League goals in two seasons at Everton to 28 in 2 seasons in League for us. Not a return I would expect from a so-called top class striker.
You have a fair point and I would have definitely bet that he would have scored at least 20 league goals a season for us. I had very high hopes for him when he signed due to his consistently high scoring numbers and I thought if he was to stay with us for the rest of his career that he would be quite high up our list of top all time top scorers but sadly this hasn't happened. I wouldn't want Messi in our team as I feel as if any defender could get close to him the would clatter him and cause a serious injury, just to stop him getting past.Says more about our club than him. Literally every signing turns sht after they sign. Coincidence? I think not. If you had to bet your house on a player scoring 20 goals outside the top bracket players - Kane, Aguero, Ronaldo, Messie, Neymar etc then Lukaku would be up there as long as he was playing and the team played to his strengths. But that applies to all players. I bet Messie would be sht in our team, like he is for Argentina. If pushed came to shove 99 percent of United fans would bet their house on Lukaku scoring the most goals in our team.
It's got nothing to do with nationality.
It's to do with the selling club being rich.
Buying an equivalent talent from Barca or PSG or Juve would also be expensive.
You have a deeply embedded preconception, and so invented a fantasy to prove it.
Your fantasy has no basis in reality.
I disagree we purchased Pogba at a rather high fee and since then the market has inflated, Pogba has won the world cup, along with the odd silverware with us and has just come off a very decent season scoring his highest amount of goals in the league yet. Our set price is not to scare clubs away it's a reflection of all the above and a fair reflection.Games played, goals scored, whatever, none of that is relevant. They own the player and don't want to sell, so they value him higher than they believe the interested club would pay and if they lose the player they're laughing all the way to the bank. Same as us and Pogba.
Not really. How many PL games did Jadon Sancho play before City sold him for £8 million? In 1 season he's now worth £100 million.Don't know much about Longstaff but if this is true £50m seems crazy for a player who has only played 9 PL games. H e may be something ans should we sign sign him he could prove me wrong but this seems sheer madness.
Based on?Actually, crying sounds about right for him.
Don't think Lukaku is on par with them. I expected a lot more goals out of him. At Everton in his his last season he scored 25 league goals, I expected him to score at least that many for us. Someone of his supposed ability for a top club should not go on a run of 2 and a half months without scoring a league goal, this is totally unacceptable. He dropped from scoring 43 League goals in two seasons at Everton to 28 in 2 seasons in League for us. Not a return I would expect from a so-called top class striker.
Says more about our club than him. Literally every signing turns sht after they sign. Coincidence? I think not. If you had to bet your house on a player scoring 20 goals outside the top bracket players - Kane, Aguero, Ronaldo, Messie, Neymar etc then Lukaku would be up there as long as he was playing and the team played to his strengths. But that applies to all players. I bet Messie would be sht in our team, like he is for Argentina. If pushed came to shove 99 percent of United fans would bet their house on Lukaku scoring the most goals in our team. Not saying he shouldn't be sold. Just that he is not sht like everyone makes him out to be. But if we refuse to play a system that suits him then whats the point of him. He will be banging in goals for fun in Italy that you can guarantee.
Well the stats show more.
Rom scored in total
25 Everton 2016 - 18 league goals
26 Everton 2017 - 25 league goals
27 United 2018 - 16 league goals
Rom had no cup run in his last season at Everton. Second to last season at Everton he did and the league goals drop a lot.
Rom Total
20 Everton 2015 - 10 league goals, Everton had a run in Europe which scored 8 in.
Extra games in cups seem to take a lot out of him.
He did score 27 times in his first season here which is very much like his 2016 season plus cup run at Everton and Jose's sabotage two fingers to the board season he scores 15.
United conceded just 28 two seasons ago and 54 last season. Arsenal conceded 51 for the last two seasons.
Our last season was very dysfunctional, I hate to use it to draw conclusions. Rom is a very good striker who would get his Everton numbers under a half decent coach not trying cause a mess.
How much would United sell Greenwood for?Bullshit as usual.
@Mainoldo he won’t respond to your question. He just scours the forum for any hint of perceived anti-British bias, comes in and does a psycho-analysis of the poster and leaves. Don’t hold your breath.
Hilarious that Newcastle are apparently a “rich club”.
I don't think he's worth the astronomical fee but Sir Alex Seems to like me and once supposedly phoned him after we beat Sheffield Unnited in the Youth Cup in 2011 to tell 'If he kept his head down and worked hard and that he would play at the top level'.
Agree with this. If that number is correct I hope we move on.Really liked the idea of signing Longstaff, but that supposed price is beyond laughable given how little he's played and unproven he is. I like a gamble, but that would be madness.
Newcastle are well within their right to demand whatever they want for their players.
They don't just have to roll over for you.
Newcastle are well within their right to demand whatever they want for their players.
They don't just have to roll over for you.
Although there are a lot of times he could have done a lot better
Yeah but the player has to be willing to feck over his current club and leave out the back. In the case of Longstaff, his boyhood club which he loves. Unlikely.
You make a fair point and I particularly agree with part in bold but although we didn't play to the best of our ability last season I should have scored more than 12 in the league last season mate.Its not about the misses. Literally all strikers miss sitters including Messie and Ronaldo. Top strikers dont give a fk and score the next one. At the end of the season if you score 20+ then job done although obviously they will still be annoyed by missing the sitters. But what can you do - they are humans not robots.