Agreed. Besides, Juve will try low-balling us if it was a straight money deal, so we'd be smart to involve players coming in the other way. Saying that, I just can't see Juventus actually being that interested in Lukaku.
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Juve would have to be completely insane to include Dybala in any deal for Lukaku.
No. I really want Lukaku to play under Ole for some time and see how it goes. If he can play well under Martinez he very well can do it for us as well
I am fine with Lukaku + 50m for Dybala.
He’s not good enough, never will be.
That's exactly what I think of Lindeloff, Jones,Matic etc but yesterday play has given me a different perception .
Everyone needs a second chance and they will get it for rest of the season. We can reevaluate it in the summer.
Oh please do.
If Lukaku cant perform for his favourite manager (Jose) I cant see how he'll do it for Ole,who seems to want a more fluid,versatile attack.
Overall I'm not sure Lukaku is capable of being in a quick interchangeable forward line.
Even for Belgium most of the attacking circles are based around Mertens,Hazard and De Bruyne. You rarely see Lukaku get involved in the play generally because he's incapable.
Lukaku isn't with Raiola anymore..
Come on Raoila, throw a chair at Woody!
He is only interim manager, so that’s perfectly fine.
We need to trim some of the fat in January anyway. Plus, there’s not realistically major signings we can make in January.
Exatly, that quick one touch pass and move stuff we played yesterday would break down with Lukaku in the side as his awful touch would see moves stall over and over.
We were never spending money in January anyway.
It makes sense, it's often hard to get anyone of the required quality in January and on top of that we shouldn't be buying before we get the DOF and the new manager in, patience is needed.
But the change in rules as to who is 'Cup tied in Europe' will definitely change the way teams do business in January. Still agree that we won't spend much if anything, but not because of the usual reason, lack quality players who haven't played in Europe being available
With Phil Jones in our defence and the top four, FA Cup and Champions League to fight for we can't afford to stand still either.
On the contrary, I think that style of play is exactly what Lukaku needs. He’s begging for diagonal balls to be played into his path for him to dispatch.
He’s shite as a target man, expecting the ball to stick to him. Playing the ball into his path is bread and butter stuff for him.
Perhaps... but do you think CBs the level of Koulibaly - in other words players of the requisite talent level - are going to be available in January anyway?
KK wouldn't be sold in January. Napoli president confirmed it.
Not sure about other targets though.
I know it's not going to happen, if we offload Lukaku to Juventus and get Dybala, Dybala would be the perfect inside forward in Ole's system, especially he's left-footed and his ability on the man from the right flank and score bangers outside the box.
Rashford did way more than that, his lay offs and link up was superb, Lukaku offers none of that. We have the chance to build a cohesive attacking unit where all the forwards add to the build up play, with Lukaku he'd hamper the build up and simply be there hoping to get on the end of something, that's just so limited for a side with the ambitions we should have IMO.
Lukaku will look like twice the player in a setup like yesterday, certain of it, it’s exactly the sort of football he thrives on. Hopefully his finishing improves.
I think the opposite.
He'll still stand their motionless pointing at his brand new Timberland boots.
Alderweireld - definitely
Koulibaly - Napoli president has said he may sell him in the summer, meaning there will be a price even now
Skriniar - Inter are under even more financial pressure now they're out of the Champions League
De Ligt - I'd agree is almost ungettable right now
Then obviously there's a whole tonne more that are definitely available and improvements but below that tier.
Point being we should at least try, not put everything on hold until the next manager walks in and doesn't say "my goodness, where have Smalling and Jones been all my life?"
I agree with this. He's much better on the end of football like yesterday than long hopeful balls up top.
Lukaku involved in a Dybala swap is a pipe dream. They'll want him in behind Ronaldo/Rom to add to the build up as neither of those 2 do much nowadays.
Yeah, Juve are a well run ship, they aren't going to let a talent like Dybala go unless someone is dropping £150M, no swaps. Just get the £60M for Lumpkaku and move on down the line with Rashford and Martial as the focus of the attack and add the right third man to them.
The quality of his finishing isn't really his issue, it's actually getting a shot that has been his issue this year (in goal scoring terms) and that's because he's not getting the ball in areas he can do that because he's being asked to play in a way that's alien to him, just like everyone else has. He's looked like dogshit as a result.
PL stats only
Lukaku
In 16/17 he had 110 shots, 55 on target (50%), 25 goals (22%)
In 17/18 he had 86 shots, 43 on target (50%), 16 goals (18%)
In 18/19 he's had 28 shots, 16 on target (57%), 6 goals (21%)
PL All time 654 shots, 300 on target (46%), 107 goals (16.3%)
Harry Kane
16/17 110 shots, 58 on target (53%) 29 goals (26%)
17/18 184 shots, 76 on target (41%), 30 goals (16%!!)
18/19 61 shots, 29 on target (48%), 11 goals (18%)
PL All time 657 shots, 298 on target (45%), 119 goals (18.1%)
Just look at that. This year and last year he's had less than HALF the shots of Kane and scored half as many goals. When he left Everton he can surely never have expected to get LESS shots at goal when he joined United with the likes of Pogba behind him. He really could thrive under Ole when just being asked to be a striker and using his size, power and pace to hound defences rather than being asked to hold up the ball and build play when its clear he's at his very best inside the box.
For larks I did Rash and Martial too. Martial is on fire this season tbh.
Martial
16/17 42 shots, 18 on target (43%), 4 goals (9%)
17/18 49 shots, 16 on target (33%), 9 goals, (18%)
18/19 19 shots, 13 on target (68%!), 8 goals (42%!)
Rashford
16/17 44 shots, 17 on target (39%), 5 goals (11%)
17/18 61 shots, 21 on target (34%), 7 goals (11%)
18/19 22 shots, 13 on target (59%!), 4 goals (18%)
Lukaku doesn't fit in a fluid style of play we showed.
He might get more goals but he'll stifle the interlinking too.
It is a situation like where Saf phased out Berbatov for Tevez and where he phased out Rvn for Saha as it suited team more. And how Klopp phased out BEnteke and Sturridge. Particularly BEnteke.
He might get more goals but he'll stifle the interlinking too.
It is a situation like where Saf phased out Berbatov for Tevez and where he phased out Rvn for Saha as it suited team more. And how Klopp phased out BEnteke and Sturridge. Particularly BEnteke.
I think the same. Ole being a striker himself will instantly know what Lukaku offers to the team and how to make best use of him. Feel people are writing him off too quickly. He's much better than what we saw under Jose.
If he has any ambition then he shouldn't stay. I thought he was England's most impressive player in U17 WC.
They might blackmail him; last I read they were refusing to loan him till he signed.Why should he stay
That's their MO. Rancid club.
Bayern and Dortmund going for the British talent. United should make sure to have the best domestic talent at the club. You wouldnt see the best German talents leave abroad, but rather sign for them.
Well thats what we used to do isn't it, hoover up the best English talents from the league, the good old days.
Chelsea under Abramovic have never hired a manager with a track record of promoting players. Yet they still spend so much.
Try sticking with facts if you wish to prove a point. Berba signed 2008, Tevez left the following year. So never got phased out by Tevez. Indeed the opposite happened. Much to the detriment of the team.
People are deluding themselves if they think Lukaku is leaving anytime soon.
I don't think it's deluded to think Lukaku wouldn't leave in the next year or so? All depends on how he plays and the next manager, obviously. We don't have to keep him, if someone comes along with an offer and we think we can do without him, we'll get rid. Not sure where delusion comes into it.
It's daft to rule anything out with our squad at the moment due to all the changes taking place.
It's daft to rule anything out with our squad at the moment due to all the changes taking place.
German talents don't go abroad because they know they'll get opportunities at their clubs, no matter how big they are. For England besides United and Liverpool now, I don't think any big club can offer their youth players consistent playing time.
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