Transfer Tweets - 2018/19 | Remember if posting foreign language tweets to post in English too

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Hoof The Ball said:
Our scouting team :lol:

No mention of Mina and Maguire pre-World Cup. Both happen to have good World Cup's. Both are apparently our top two CB targets.

What's the point of defensive scouts if our top targets are identified in the same manner that half the Cafe are accustomed to, television?
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before we scouted Bailly and Lindelof, this is at least an upgrade in terms of quality
 
cyberman said:
But I don't think we were after Bale or Perisic this year though.
Willian is a strange one. It seems Barca were in for him and we were used as a negotiation tactic, I still don't think we were ever in for him
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There weren't many links to Perisic, but with Bale it did seem like we were very much interested after his comments after the CL final.
Yeah, not too sure what's gone on with Willian. The rumours died down not long before Barca started getting properly linked, so you may be right. It's been pretty dry in general in terms of links to wingers. Wouldn't be surprised if we signed someone out of the blue or just signed nobody at all.
 
JacobCastle4 said:
Just one player is on the way and it will be a Cb and not Willian or Rebic. Makes sense because Mourinho has already started prep on the 3-5-2 we seem to have decided to try. That's one system that does not require wide forwards.
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In that case, getting Perisic and Maguire would be perfect. The squad would still lack a some good backups, but the starting 11 would look pretty good imo.
 
Lateriser12 said:
Some update.

Jonny Evans got injured today (Leicester). His injury seems to be serious. This might affect our Maguire deal. We are still having Alderweireld on our radar if Maguire doesn't materialize.

Martial also expected to stay. 1 depressing inside news was Raiola was speaking with Pogba about leaving United.. This, obviously is a very slim chance but a discussion did happen between them
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Where are you getting this from?
 
JacobCastle4 said:
Just one player is on the way and it will be a Cb and not Willian or Rebic. Makes sense because Mourinho has already started prep on the 3-5-2 we seem to have decided to try. That's one system that does not require wide forwards.

What do you United not have in abundance? That's right. Wingers. Any wingers. On the left or the right.
Sanchez, Martial, Rashford - all right footed players who's game is built around cutting in and causing havoc.
Mata, Lingard are traditional central players.
All of them would be fit for a 2 man attack but none can play a system requiring forwards to provide the width.

I don't understand how signing one ageing winger will give us any more balance. What happens if he gets injured? Back to pseudo Target Manning Fellaini? Makes no sense.

Every half credible source all summer has linked us to a Cb. (Whereas only Tuttosport and other stupid sources have alleged a deal for Willian and Perisic) Mourinho mentioned how he wanted two but would get just one signing.
Judging by his recent tactical decision to eliminate the RW it probably means there isn't one coming. Playing 3 atb with Smalling Bailey Jones is basically suicide and inviting a deadly press. Someone like Maguire would be tailor-made for the system.
It's either him or another ball playing Cb. That'll be our window.
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You talk about us not having wingers so we'll play 352, but our full backs are crap, so how does that help us?
 
NinjaFletch said:
What I'm on about is using crap arguments about how Willian is Brazilian or that Mourinho likes him (based on the supposition we want to sign him which places far too much credit in media bollocks for my liking) as the only basis for whether we should sign him or not. To which you responded with by far the worst argument yet. Hell feck it, sign up John Terry and get Oscar back from China if 'playing in a Mourinho title winning team' is the only criteria for whether a player is a good signing for United in 2018.
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What absolute guff. Willian was successful under Jose before and he knows Willian would bring balance to our right side because every other cnut in our squad wants to play in the middle or the left. He is more than capable of helping our team end of!
 
AndyJ1985 said:
You talk about us not having wingers so we'll play 352, but our full backs are crap, so how does that help us?
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This :lol:

Rather shoe horn Lingard and Sanchez as wingers than Valencia and Young as wingbacks.
 
NinjaFletch said:
What I'm on about is using crap arguments about how Willian is Brazilian or that Mourinho likes him (based on the supposition we want to sign him which places far too much credit in media bollocks for my liking) as the only basis for whether we should sign him or not. To which you responded with by far the worst argument yet. Hell feck it, sign up John Terry and get Oscar back from China if 'playing in a Mourinho title winning team' is the only criteria for whether a player is a good signing for United in 2018.

And lets be clear about what Willian's contribution was to that title win, 2 goals and 3 assists in 36 games. Whatever the respective merits of stats bashing, if Willian was signed for £80m and produced numbers like that he'd be regarded as a gigantic flop.
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Well - if you are referring to my comments about him being in the Brazilian side - you should note that I never said something like "he is brilliant because he is playing for Brasil" - I said something like "People who play regularly in an attacking position for Brazil usually aren't shite". This was a comment made to someone who claimed that Willian was "shite" - which naturally he is not. I never argued that he was or wasn't good enough to play for us (in fact as I said - I don't think he is what we should aim for) - but he is still a good player.
 
Ramshock said:
What absolute guff. Willian was successful under Jose before and he knows Willian would bring balance to our right side because every other cnut in our squad wants to play in the middle or the left. He is more than capable of helping our team end of!
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Well lets be clear about what you're calling a 'success' shall we?

Willian's contribution to that title win (which was your criteria in your last post, let's not forget) was 2 goals and 3 assists in 36 games. Whatever the respective merits of stats bashing, if Willian was signed for £80m and produced numbers like that he'd be regarded as a gigantic flop.

If your standards are so low that bringing balance and not being as shit as our options on the right is your criteria then I'm sure he would reach them. For the money he would cost however, I'd much rather sign someone that would do a damn sight more than that.

lysglimt said:
Well - if you are referring to my comments about him being in the Brazilian side - you should note that I never said something like "he is brilliant because he is playing for Brasil" - I said something like "People who play regularly in an attacking position for Brazil usually aren't shite". This was a comment made to someone who claimed that Willian was "shite" - which naturally he is not. I never argued that he was or wasn't good enough to play for us (in fact as I said - I don't think he is what we should aim for) - but he is still a good player.
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And sometimes they are.

Given that we've seen a lot of Willian by virtue of him playing in our league for one of our rivals we should be in a position to judge Willian on his respective merits (my judgement being that I think he's someway below the required standard, yours apparently that he isn't – although you do agree that he's not the right player so we're probably not as far away from each other as we might appear) rather than an appeal to the authority of the Brazilian national team. Obviously we don't have to agree on our judgement of our players, but at least those are our judgements and conclusions based on watching him play, rather than pretending like he's an unknown quantity on which we cannot have formed an opinion. My issue is with the logic of the argument rather than the judgment of the player.
 
ti vu said:
We need a back up CF right? :angel:
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If you mean Ginac then possibly but has never really experienced a top league so may be awful and if you mean Falcao then you clearly weren't here for his last spell with us, we all loved him, he wasn't too bad, wasn't good either but then went to Chelsea and that's the end of that.
 
Champ said:
Is that true? I've only heard good things about the lad.
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Very talented player. I was curious when he was reduced to a sub role for England at the last u19 Euros whilst the somewhat inferior Isaac Buckley-Ricketts was starting, especially given Edwards looked a level above him when he came on as sub.

Subsequently Edwards had a disastrous loan spell at Norwich that was cut short after one appearance. He was supposed to have failed to turn up to a single training session on time.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...us-edwards-has-attitude-mentality-questioned/
 
Cee90 said:
I too think Martial would go to Spurs (if he was offered first team football) for what it's worth.

@GlastonSpur does get a hard time on here sometimes to be honest! :lol:
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I often wonder why fans of other clubs come on here to be honest, for a wind up or too much time on their hands perhaps.

Maybe it’s just me but I find it odd.
 
Coops73 said:
I often wonder why fans of other clubs come on here to be honest, for a wind up or too much time on their hands perhaps.

Maybe it’s just me but I find it odd.
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I personally welcome rival fans. I think it adds a lot to the discussion, unless they are of course here to wind people up.

I actually think more could be done to get rival fans engaged too, especially in the build up to games. Pretty sure we had some form of Q&A for rival fans ahead of games in the past.
 
I don't see the problem with buying players post a great tournament. Historically, many great players have emerged out of World Cups and Euros.
 
Cee90 said:
I actually think more could be done to get rival fans engaged too, especially in the build up to games. Pretty sure we had some form of Q&A for rival fans ahead of games in the past.
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Yep.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-chelsea.368408/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-wigan-athletic-community-shield.375253/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-swansea-premier-league-away.375526/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-chelsea-premier-league-home.375914/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-liverpool-premier-league-away.376204/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-liverpool-premier-league-home.386438/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...4-west-ham-united-premier-league-away.386987/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...4-manchester-city-premier-league-home.387150/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-aston-villa-premier-league-home.387519/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...-bayern-münchen-champions-league-home.387630/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...-newcastle-united-premier-league-away.388032/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...-bayern-münchen-champions-league-away.388287/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-everton-premier-league-away.388907/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-norwich-city-premier-league-home.389624/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-sunderland-premier-league-home.390056/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2014-15-swansea-city-premier-league-home.394729/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2014-15-sunderland-premier-league-away.395204/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...lton-keynes-dons-capital-one-cup-away.395276/
Dele Alli is a player with multi-million pound potential. He has been eyed by many a big name club, and this could be his stage. His stage to prove his worth and prove his qualities he already has for an 18 year old. He's a no brainer in most first team XI's picked for us. And he oozes class, experience [By the looks of it, he's been playing for years] and confidence.
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https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2014-15-burnley-premier-league-away.395627/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...eens-park-rangers-premier-league-home.396451/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...15-leicester-city-premier-league-away.396768/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...5-west-ham-united-premier-league-home.397052/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2014-15-everton-premier-league-home.397279/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...5-manchester-city-premier-league-away.398064/ (done with just caf members)
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2014-15-arsenal-premier-league-away.398554/ (done with just caf members)
 
NinjaFletch said:
Well lets be clear about what you're calling a 'success' shall we?

Willian's contribution to that title win (which was your criteria in your last post, let's not forget) was 2 goals and 3 assists in 36 games. Whatever the respective merits of stats bashing, if Willian was signed for £80m and produced numbers like that he'd be regarded as a gigantic flop.

If your standards are so low that bringing balance and not being as shit as our options on the right is your criteria then I'm sure he would reach them. For the money he would cost however, I'd much rather sign someone that would do a damn sight more than that.



And sometimes they are.

Given that we've seen a lot of Willian by virtue of him playing in our league for one of our rivals we should be in a position to judge Willian on his respective merits (my judgement being that I think he's someway below the required standard, yours apparently that he isn't – although you do agree that he's not the right player so we're probably not as far away from each other as we might appear) rather than an appeal to the authority of the Brazilian national team. Obviously we don't have to agree on our judgement of our players, but at least those are our judgements and conclusions based on watching him play, rather than pretending like he's an unknown quantity on which we cannot have formed an opinion. My issue is with the logic of the argument rather than the judgment of the player.
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Willian is a top quality footballer depending on how you want to use him. Applying stats on goals and assists (as important as these are) will never do justice to assessing a player like Willian. Such figures will make him seem useless. Maybe just like they will make an Iniesta look very ordinary (not saying Willian can be compared to Iniesta. I am just referring to the goals/assists stats. Legend has it that John Terry scored more or almost as many goals as Iniesta). What Willian brings to a team, more than any other quality is balance and link up play. He is a very hard-working, energetic, team focused and intelligent player. His managers have tended to use him not purely as an attacker but as the type of attacker you can use to do the hard work of defending, running around, playing the nuisance, linking defence with attack, creating spaces for others etc.
That's why I said it depends on how he is used and what a manager is looking for.
This is the context the Willian debate should be placed. For me, it all comes down to what Jose wants or is planning. In the season when Willian scored very few goals and had few assists, he was still one of Jose's most important players. Why? Because he did certain jobs for the team as instructed by his manager.
So while he will not dazzle or score many goals, I think he can still offers a lot (again, depending on the manager's plan).
 
Damien said:
Yep.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-chelsea.368408/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-wigan-athletic-community-shield.375253/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-swansea-premier-league-away.375526/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-chelsea-premier-league-home.375914/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-liverpool-premier-league-away.376204/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-liverpool-premier-league-home.386438/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...4-west-ham-united-premier-league-away.386987/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...4-manchester-city-premier-league-home.387150/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-aston-villa-premier-league-home.387519/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-fc-bayern-münchen-champions-league-home.387630/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...-newcastle-united-premier-league-away.388032/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-fc-bayern-münchen-champions-league-away.388287/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-everton-premier-league-away.388907/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-norwich-city-premier-league-home.389624/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2013-14-sunderland-premier-league-home.390056/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2014-15-swansea-city-premier-league-home.394729/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2014-15-sunderland-premier-league-away.395204/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...lton-keynes-dons-capital-one-cup-away.395276/

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2014-15-burnley-premier-league-away.395627/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...eens-park-rangers-premier-league-home.396451/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...15-leicester-city-premier-league-away.396768/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...5-west-ham-united-premier-league-home.397052/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2014-15-everton-premier-league-home.397279/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask...5-manchester-city-premier-league-away.398064/ (done with just caf members)
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/ask-the-opposition-2014-15-arsenal-premier-league-away.398554/ (done with just caf members)
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Thanks Damien,

See, I think that sort of thing is great.

Loved the insider info about Dele Alli as well. 9/10 people had no idea who he was at the time.

Is this something we are going to continue to do going forward?
 
GM K said:
Willian is a top quality footballer depending on how you want to use him. Applying stats on goals and assists (as important as these are) will never do justice to assessing a player like Willian. Such figures will make him seem useless. Maybe just like they will make an Iniesta look very ordinary (not saying Willian can be compared to Iniesta. I am just referring to the goals/assists stats. Legend has it that John Terry scored more or almost as many goals as Iniesta). What Willian brings to a team, more than any other quality is balance and link up play. He is a very hard-working, energetic, team focused and intelligent player. His managers have tended to use him not purely as an attacker but as the type of attacker you can use to do the hard work of defending, running around, playing the nuisance, linking defence with attack, creating spaces for others etc.
That's why I said it depends on how he is used and what a manager is looking for.
This is the context the Willian debate should be placed. For me, it all comes down to what Jose wants or is planning. In the season when Willian scored very few goals and had few assists, he was still one of Jose's most important players. Why? Because he did certain jobs for the team as instructed by his manager.
So while he will not dazzle or score many goals, I think he can still offers a lot (again, depending on the manager's plan).
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Oh I take your points (other than him being a top quality footballer, but obviously judgement is subjective) and agree that goals and assists is possibly not the best way to judge him (and had a line to that effect to start with), but I think it's relatively moot. Willian would be expected to produce significantly more if he came with the price tag being discussed to 'solve' United's right wing issue; he would be judged a failure if he did not produce it. It might be unfair, but its part and parcel of being an expensive signing. Hazard, if and when he goes for big money will be expected to produce more too.

Fwiw, whilst I don't doubt that he 'did a job' in that Chelsea title winning side I do doubt that that job was particularly inspiring – in fact I think that it was one of his poorest seasons in a Chelsea shirt —, my abiding memory of that Chelsea side was of a solid, dour side who largely relied on Costa and Hazard for goals and attacking spark. I'm sure Willian could come in and do that job, but I'm not at all certain that's what people have been crying out for – if anything it might be argued that we have too many of that sort of player as it is.
 
Suvaid666 said:
Mods really need to clamp down on this ITK BS. Derails the whole thread
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Yeah, one post about an injury (which will very quickly be proven true or not) is derailing the thread of pages and pages of Mourinho/Woodward/Glazer/Martial blaming and Willian being good enough or not.
 
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