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I don't think we'll spend that much on anyone else in this window. Maybe the Fekir deal gets going again next week but I don't think we'll sign Pulisic.
Pulisic would rather a United move id say
I don't think we'll spend that much on anyone else in this window. Maybe the Fekir deal gets going again next week but I don't think we'll sign Pulisic.
I'm sure he'll sharpen up in real games but Sane had him on toast here.
Well he is a United fan.Pulisic would rather a United move id say
Well he is a United fan.
Yep just a friendly and VvD is a cracking player when in top form.Sane would have any defender on toast running through like that. Lightening quick!!
Problem was we didn't cut it out at source.
I'm sure he'll sharpen up in real games but Sane had him on toast here.
Meh who wants to chase full pelt in a meaningless friendly anyway especially on dangerous bobbly pitch. Can't blame him there.
I know mate, just a bit of fun. I said on my reply to Liver Bird that VvD is a class player.Meh who wants to chase full pelt in a meaningless friendly anyway especially on dangerous bobbly pitch. Can't blame him there.
Has Luckhurst ever got a story right?
Would represent very good business
Sane would have any defender on toast running through like that. Lightening quick!!
Problem was we didn't cut it out at source.
How many CB's would keep up with Sane? Varane probably but not many others.VVD isn't very fast and isn't world class as highlighted here.
If it was for me I would take Maguire. He is younger, he had a very good premier league season and a superb world cup, and above all that he is a monster in set pieces, he will be a tremendous threat in set pieces.
Only until he sees Spurs' facilities.Well he is a United fan.
Only until he sees Spurs' facilities.
Not only that I believe he's absolutely tremendous amongst ball playing defenders today. Even though he's being valued at 60m one need only to take a look at his last season for Leicester and just compare it to some of the best ball playing Central Defenders to realize there's perhaps great value even at that price.
Just to be clear because we'll compare his last to only their statistically best season. So there won't be any excuse for injuries or advancing age. And all the stats are per 90 minutes.
Harry Maguire - EPL - 2017-18 Leicester City
38 games - 3227 minutes
Total Forward Passes - 36.20
Key passes - 0.36
Chances created - 0.47
Dribbles completed - 1.31
Tackles won - 1.23
Aerial Duels won - 3.21
Interceptions - 1.31
Blocks - 0.73
Clearances - 4.7
Defensive errors - 0.03
Just to put into context how brilliant some of his on the ball stats are, especially chance creation and key passes even out of a comparatively lesser average forward passes per game, his remarkable Dribbles per game at 1.31 which absolutely destroys other ball playing centre backs.
Not only that his defensive and Aerial abilities more than match up and even surpass most elite players of his type.
Leonardo Bonucci - ISA - 2014-15 Juventus
34 games - 3015 minutes
Total Forward Passes - 47.43
Key passes - 0.30
Chances created - 0.30
Dribbles per game - 0.30
Tackes won - 0.90
Aerial Duels won - 1.25
Interceptions - 1.94
Blocks - 0.87
Clearances - 5.16
Defensive errors - 0.09
Leonardo Bonucci is rightly considered one of the best Ball playing centre backs around, but across a full season widely considered his best, his chance creation, key passes all fall short of Maguire's. In fact out of the remaining comparisons he's the only one who comes close. His dribbling and Aerial ability had no match for Maguire's. He also made less Tackles showing Maguire's superiority in covering wider areas and going to the ground. Where Maguire does fall short is Interceptions and blocks. But not by a lot and it certainly bears in mind who he is being compared to.
Mats Hummels - Bundesliga - 2017-18 Bayern Munich
23 games - 1942 minutes
Total Forward Passes - 66.83
Key passes - 0.19
Chances created - 0.23
Dribbles per game - 0.51
Tackes won - 1.76
Aerial Duels won - 2.92
Interceptions - 2.36
Blocks - 0.46
Clearances - 2.46
Defensive errors - 0.05
Another elite ball playing centre back, one in his prime, Hummels attempted a ridiculous 66.83 forward passes but his key passes, chances created and dribbled completed stats pale in front of Maguire's.
While impressive in the air he also falls short of his Aerial Duels per game tally. Keeping in mind he has played almost half the minutes Maguire has and these numbers tend to go down as you approach the 3000 minutes mark, it must be said he has significantly better Tackles, Blocks, Interceptions. He does again have lesser Clearances probably more importantly showcasing the gulf in the teams Maguire and Hummels play for than anything.
Sergio Ramos - La Liga - 2016-17 Real Madrid
28 games - 2487 minutes
Total Forward Passes - 51.39
Key passes - 0.22
Chances created - 0.22
Dribbles per game - 0.22
Tackes won - 1.16
Aerial Duels won - 2.50
Interceptions - 2.17
Blocks - 0.58
Clearances - 3.55
Defensive errors - 0.11
The season before last was one of the few recent seasons that Real Madrid have won the La Liga in. Ramos had comfortably his best season at Cb in 16-17. Yet his stats in every single aspect fall short of Maguire's. All except Interceptions.
Vincent Kompany - Pl - 2013-14 Manchester City
28 games - 2362 minutes
Total Forward Passes - 36.24
Key passes - 0.15
Chances created - 0.19
Dribbles per game - 0.65
Tackes won - 1.75
Aerial Duels won - 1.22
Interceptions - 2.13
Blocks - 0.53
Clearances - 5.56
Defensive errors - 0.11
One thing clear from these comparisons is that Maguire even with the most minutes and games on the clock, still averaged vastly better chance creation, key passes, Dribbles completed. His forward passes can easily be explained by just pointing towards the quality of players in LCFC's midfield and defense (not to mention tactical approach) compared to all the elite players that the other defenders play with.
His defensive side while better than Bonucci and Ramos, does fall short compared to Kompany and Hummels. What is top of the class is his heading ability. With only Hummels coming close.
He also made the least Defensive errors compared to the rest.
Not only that I believe he's absolutely tremendous amongst ball playing defenders today. Even though he's being valued at 60m one need only to take a look at his last season for Leicester and just compare it to some of the best ball playing Central Defenders to realize there's perhaps great value even at that price.
Just to be clear because we'll compare his last to only their statistically best season. So there won't be any excuse for injuries or advancing age. And all the stats are per 90 minutes.
Harry Maguire - EPL - 2017-18 Leicester City
38 games - 3227 minutes
Total Forward Passes - 36.20
Key passes - 0.36
Chances created - 0.47
Dribbles completed - 1.31
Tackles won - 1.23
Aerial Duels won - 3.21
Interceptions - 1.31
Blocks - 0.73
Clearances - 4.7
Defensive errors - 0.03
Just to put into context how brilliant some of his on the ball stats are, especially chance creation and key passes even out of a comparatively lesser average forward passes per game, his remarkable Dribbles per game at 1.31 which absolutely destroys other ball playing centre backs.
Not only that his defensive and Aerial abilities more than match up and even surpass most elite players of his type.
Leonardo Bonucci - ISA - 2014-15 Juventus
34 games - 3015 minutes
Total Forward Passes - 47.43
Key passes - 0.30
Chances created - 0.30
Dribbles per game - 0.30
Tackes won - 0.90
Aerial Duels won - 1.25
Interceptions - 1.94
Blocks - 0.87
Clearances - 5.16
Defensive errors - 0.09
Leonardo Bonucci is rightly considered one of the best Ball playing centre backs around, but across a full season widely considered his best, his chance creation, key passes all fall short of Maguire's. In fact out of the remaining comparisons he's the only one who comes close. His dribbling and Aerial ability had no match for Maguire's. He also made less Tackles showing Maguire's superiority in covering wider areas and going to the ground. Where Maguire does fall short is Interceptions and blocks. But not by a lot and it certainly bears in mind who he is being compared to.
Mats Hummels - Bundesliga - 2017-18 Bayern Munich
23 games - 1942 minutes
Total Forward Passes - 66.83
Key passes - 0.19
Chances created - 0.23
Dribbles per game - 0.51
Tackes won - 1.76
Aerial Duels won - 2.92
Interceptions - 2.36
Blocks - 0.46
Clearances - 2.46
Defensive errors - 0.05
Another elite ball playing centre back, one in his prime, Hummels attempted a ridiculous 66.83 forward passes but his key passes, chances created and dribbled completed stats pale in front of Maguire's.
While impressive in the air he also falls short of his Aerial Duels per game tally. Keeping in mind he has played almost half the minutes Maguire has and these numbers tend to go down as you approach the 3000 minutes mark, it must be said he has significantly better Tackles, Blocks, Interceptions. He does again have lesser Clearances probably more importantly showcasing the gulf in the teams Maguire and Hummels play for than anything.
Sergio Ramos - La Liga - 2016-17 Real Madrid
28 games - 2487 minutes
Total Forward Passes - 51.39
Key passes - 0.22
Chances created - 0.22
Dribbles per game - 0.22
Tackes won - 1.16
Aerial Duels won - 2.50
Interceptions - 2.17
Blocks - 0.58
Clearances - 3.55
Defensive errors - 0.11
The season before last was one of the few recent seasons that Real Madrid have won the La Liga in. Ramos had comfortably his best season at Cb in 16-17. Yet his stats in every single aspect fall short of Maguire's. All except Interceptions.
Vincent Kompany - Pl - 2013-14 Manchester City
28 games - 2362 minutes
Total Forward Passes - 36.24
Key passes - 0.15
Chances created - 0.19
Dribbles per game - 0.65
Tackes won - 1.75
Aerial Duels won - 1.22
Interceptions - 2.13
Blocks - 0.53
Clearances - 5.56
Defensive errors - 0.11
One thing clear from these comparisons is that Maguire even with the most minutes and games on the clock, still averaged vastly better chance creation, key passes, Dribbles completed. His forward passes can easily be explained by just pointing towards the quality of players in LCFC's midfield and defense (not to mention tactical approach) compared to all the elite players that the other defenders play with.
His defensive side while better than Bonucci and Ramos, does fall short compared to Kompany and Hummels. What is top of the class is his heading ability. With only Hummels coming close.
He also made the least Defensive errors compared to the rest.
How many CB's would keep up with Sane? Varane probably but not many others.
Smalling is even quickerBailly
He isn't Sane quick.Bailly
Wrong profile for Mourinho, we already have young talent there.Straight swap for Martial please.
I absolutely believe Wilf would choose Spurs over United, Glaston is right. London based, play better football, core of promising English players, would get games on the wing and up front, there are many reasons. That's even discounting his previous stint at United. He would absolutely flourish at Spurs.
Trying to think of a Dortmund attacking player that has moved on for bgi money and been a big succeess. Obviously Lewandowski within there same league, but Gotze flopped doing the same move. Then I think of Miki, Kagawa, Aubameyang, Dembele early days for some, all of them are good players and in my opinion all better than Pulisic as well, early days for some but is there one obvious big success I have forgotten?
He isn't Sane quick.
If they play better Football why we achieved second place and they didn’t? If they play better football why Mourinho won 3 trophies with us, while Spurs hadn’t won a single one?