Mourinho will be gone next year so let him moan for a season. I just hope the next manager is well thought out. I.e. an attacking coach who gets the best out of young players.
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Mourinho will be gone next year so let him moan for a season. I just hope the next manager is well thought out. I.e. an attacking coach who gets the best out of young players.
I think it’s pretty funny we expect Chelsea to bend over backwards for us whilst we refuse to sell them Martial. If it was the other way round i’d tell them where to go.
Monaco have Russian owners too, right? Isn't Roman and this dude buddies? Golovin is also coming from a Russian team...
Golovin to Chealsea for double the amount next year?
I'm sure Brendan is looking forward to the call.
Is there an element with the Martial case of people looking at the premiership last season and seeing Salah and DeBruyne being the two big players in the league as past sales. I think maybe that would be a bit harsh as Oscar was ahead of DeBruyne and did look real quality so DeBruyne didnt really get a chance. Same for Salah with Willian. Hindsight is obviously a wonderful thing but at the time Salah certainly didnt look in his brief appearances like he would become a world beater.
I think Martial has had more opportunities than those two and though he was decent at the start of last season he hasnt really progressed, performed consistantly or looked like becoming a top player since the early days under LVG.....when he played as a striker which is his best position for me. We did also sign one of the best left wingers in the world last year who is far better than Perisic who we missed out on and far better than the Martial we have had at United so far. Sadly he was awful, though early signs preseason is hopefully we may see the true Sanchez this year, add Rashford to the left wing also and I dont think we will miss Martial at all there. Still think he can become a top striker but it is time for him to move on for a decent fee for his good especially. I would like us to put part of that money towards a talented young striker to challenge Lukaku though as Greenwood isnt ready for a while if of course at all being only 16, we dont know what he will become.
If Martial goes, I'd genuinely rather not sign a forward and just switch to a 3-5-2 and forget RWs. Sanchez looks way better as a striker or up front than he does behind the striker or on the left. Just get a good ball playing CB and push the wing backs up ahead.
We're unlikely to make too many more sales other than Darmian and maybe Martial. With what we currently we have in the outfield -
Jones, Smalling, Lindelof, Bailly, Rojo, Fosu Mensah (Not counting Tuanzebe as he's like to leave on loan, maybe Fosu Mensah to but think he'll stick around). That's 6 CBs without any potential arrivals. All of them have one thing in common is that they are terrible to okay on the ball. Definitely makes for bad play when playing just 2 of them.
We have converted wingers as first choice FBs and young raw back ups. They'd all suit the wing back role more than just classic full backs who in our narrow af team are expected to provide attacking width and and contend with their defensive duties.
We've now got 7 midfielders with Andreas Pereira looking more and more likely to stay and play a role. Probably our most complete department and Pogba had his best days playing in a 3-5-2 at Juve with a great ball playing CB who could find him in the right areas between the lines.
Our attacking line up is lopsided af with no traditional wideman on either flank. Sanchez, Rashford, Martial all prefer to cut in and are utterly useless when held wide. Neither of them seem remotely comfortable playing on their preffered foots on the right as traditional wingers. Mata and Lingard are traditional central players. To keep playing with the idea of a right winger in the team when we don't look like signing one is impractical.
With time running out, I don't think United will get a LB, RW or another CF. A centre back like Maguire (I personally hope someone like Bonucci is on) would instead provide great balance in a back 3 and allow us to play a shape that plays a lot of out players in their preffered roles.
We're unlikely to make too many more sales other than Darmian and maybe Martial. With what we currently we have in the outfield -
Jones, Smalling, Lindelof, Bailly, Rojo, Fosu Mensah (Not counting Tuanzebe as he's like to leave on loan, maybe Fosu Mensah to but think he'll stick around). That's 6 CBs without any potential arrivals. All of them have one thing in common is that they are terrible to okay on the ball. Definitely makes for bad play when playing just 2 of them.
We have converted wingers as first choice FBs and young raw back ups. They'd all suit the wing back role more than just classic full backs who in our narrow af team are expected to provide attacking width and and contend with their defensive duties.
We've now got 7 midfielders with Andreas Pereira looking more and more likely to stay and play a role. Probably our most complete department and Pogba had his best days playing in a 3-5-2 at Juve with a great ball playing CB who could find him in the right areas between the lines.
Our attacking line up is lopsided af with no traditional wideman on either flank. Sanchez, Rashford, Martial all prefer to cut in and are utterly useless when held wide. Neither of them seem remotely comfortable playing on their preffered foots on the right as traditional wingers. Mata and Lingard are traditional central players. To keep playing with the idea of a right winger in the team when we don't look like signing one is impractical.
With time running out, I don't think United will get a LB, RW or another CF. A centre back like Maguire (I personally hope someone like Bonucci is on) would instead provide great balance in a back 3 and allow us to play a shape that plays a lot of out players in their preffered roles.
Because he’s the only manager in the world capable of this right? The world is full of Mourinho type managers at the top level?
Maybe I'm in the minority, but I've never been truly enamored like most have been with Martial. I see a good player but I just don't think he'll ever hit the heights expected of him. I personally wouldn't mind selling to a Premier League club.
About the second 9, yes, United need another striker for when Lukaku isn't around. If Timo Werner had had a great WC, he'd definitely be on his way to Bayern or Liverpool rn. As things stand he has two years left on his current deal and has expressed a wish to be on the move in the near future. He's even a United fan.
You have faith in the club's ability to appoint a top attacking coach as Mourinho's successor?
Regardless, the good, attack-focussed managers are all in jobs and looking relatively settled. If things go as badly this season as some people are expecting them to, it will likely be slim pickings.
Martial hasn’t progressed because we brought Sanchez who did nothing. Before that he had 2 good months and was on his way to being selected for France. So he would have progressed these players need time not 2months.
I also don’t get what you are expecting from a Lukaku understudy he won’t play so how do you expect him to improve Martial and Rashfords issue is they don’t get enough exposure to develop into a striker. I do understand for instance if you have Eden Hazard a Mo Salah won’t get the minutes required and rightly so on the other hand you can’t expect players to improve if you don’t get them continuity. It’s a no brainer De Bruyne etc kicked on after they left, are problem is don’t drill in United way propaganda and get a manager who is everything but that. It doesn’t work which is why he didn’t get the Barca job as they stuck to their brand.
We are Manchester United after all I’m sure it will not be hard to turn a managers head. Only Pep and Klopp are unattainable. I doubt we would want Klopp anyway and no I have no faith in the board to get it right.
Are you absolutely sure about that?
I hope you are wrong because that will mean the club would have made significant progress by the end of next season which is what we all want. If you are right then Jose would have gone completely downhill and dragged the club with him.
Not to mention there will be another transition under a new manager. There are no top class managers available so we would most probably go for a youngish one who could take time to adapt
Don't know why people want Jose to fail so bad
Because he never ever smiles, miserable git.
Martial has been very inconsistent, and it's clear (to me at least!) that he isn't particularly mentally strong. We saw it when he had a form dip when he had personal issues, and we've seen it when he's been dropped. Given the opportunity to come on as substitute and impress, he's often shown very little interest in fighting for his place. He strongly dislikes being played out of position, and appears to feel that he should be starting matches in his preferred role. I'm all for a bit of arrogance but it has to be backed up with performances.
You also have to remember that we only ever see the squad looking from the outside in. Mourinho and his team work with these players every day; they know what's going on in their lives, their work ethic, and you can bet that they aren't just letting players stew without talking to them. Neither will they be best mates, but we get this impression of an impersonal relationship between manager and players because of how Mourinho speaks of them in public. If Martial isn't playing regularly, it's not because Mourinho thinks that Sanchez is better than him, it's because what he's seen from Sanchez in training and in the opportunities he's been given in matches ticks the boxes. The same can be said for Luke Shaw: we all know how much potential he had, and how exciting he was as a player before his injury. What we haven't seen is why he's been inconsistently picked for the team, and a lot of that will be based on his attitude toward training and his performances on the field. Mourinho clearly sees Young as more consistent and dedicated, even if his raw talent doesn't match.
I think that unless Martial is able to get his head straight - and it may well be too far gone here - then he's better off at another club. One where he's a guaranteed starter in his preferred position, and where he can be the star. Until that happens I'm not convinced that he'll grow enough to be able to deal with being at a big club, fighting for his place.
If he is miserable or farts smileys is not very important. The most important thing is stabilising us as a top club again and clearing out the dead wood. Mou is pretty much the best we can get in our situation and when he leaves we will be in a good position.
£45m for Willian is a good price. I don't rate him highly at all and I don't think he'll improve us much if at all but if nothing else we need a rw for depth. Of course he's being targeted by Jose to be a starter. I'd much rather we pursue other targets for the position but pretty clear our target is Willian so I'm happy we at least seem to have negotiated a fair price and didn't spend £70m+ on him. I like Maguire so no issue with that potential signing. Price is high but only considering how cheap he was last season. Poor scouting by our team/poor judgement by Jose not to get him then but he'd certainly improve us. Alderweireld is prob even better but he's also much older and injury prone so I can understand why we've seemingly opted for Maguire.
A certain Antonio Conte is available.
Can't believe people are still blaming Sanchez for Martial dropping his performance when he got back from injury.
If you think that’s it. It’s also probably why you don’t get it.
Who has he left in a bad position? Porto went on to do fine. Chelsea continue to be fine, Madrid done great, Chelsea did fine yet again. If he goes it’s because he isn’t going in the same direct as the club. The only probably for me is the fans have a direction, I’m not sure the board do.
Horrible football simples. Even the best case scenario under Mourinho means horrible football, older players. Few trophies yes but not the league as a guardiola in full flow is almost impossible to beat.
I know, it’s stunning. If true, Martial is mentally very very weak and I would not want him anywhere near United.
Okay who’s played to Manchester United standards since Mourinho has been here? I only have DDG. We can talk about Martial all we like but he’s not doing not different to anyone else.
Lukaku, Matic, Smalling, Young, DDG all had a far better season to be fair plus arguably a few more.
I think there's a slight trend with Salah and KDB. And I also think Martial is following the trend. It won't be wrong to say that all three of them haven't been no where near their best while playing under Mourinho and had to go elsewhere to further their development. On top of all it took a really good attack minded coach to get them playing at the top level they are.
As of now Martial is far behind what his believed ceiling is. I truly believe he needs to spend a year or two playing in... Borussia M or Udinese, or Besiktas, or Lille, or a club of that stature.
In my opinion, the only way we could have Martial being a star as KDB or Salah and be a Manchester United player is if he goes on loan. And when he comes back we have a coach like Luis Enrique.
As of now, he has no future through our left attack.
I think Luis Enrique would be ideal.
I agree, Sanchez is just in everyone's space on the left as he doesn't hold his line, play him and Lukaku as a front 2 in that system and both will benefit I think.
I said who’s played to United standard. Half of us don’t want Smalling and Young. Lukaku’s goal return in the league was poor and Matic I’ll say yes he played like who could have won a title last year.
It’s simply the coach! Obviously Mourinho’s a winner but I think some are abit naive to think it’s a Martial problem and then assume Rashford will have a better mentality to make where Martial has failed. Rashford will fail too under Mourinho. He doesn’t want to be the player Mourinho wants him to be.
Does he work for SSN or is he watching the telly like the rest of us?
Edit ah he's a SSN reporter watching the telly like the rest of us!
£65m, that's staggering. I wonder if we'll actually get it done though, would Leicester really be content with losing one of their best players weeks before the window closes?
Think he has been known to watch abit of telly!...his favourite show is the muppets
What's wrong with that?It's happening, isn't it?
With a £65 million CB we must be expected to win the league too, just like Liverpool, right Jose?
Ridiculous price. I blame Liverpool.
Let them pick between Smalling, Jones, or Rojo going the other way as part of the deal.
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