Fair valuation, however those players will have to be replaced, especially when we get back in the Champions League.
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I was just pointing out that if Woodward is good at negotiating he could extract that much perhaps even 10% more if he is on form. And if so then our £130m spend for this season doesn't look so great therefore I do hope we are signing another big name or two!
And I'm sure we are whether it be this window or in the next two.
In theory if this £200m war chest is real then we have another £60m to spend and also most of that £120m might be made available in addition to the usual transfer fund.
Potentially guess depends how much we think he wants to stay here. End of the day he's not going to a team in for the title in the near future imo (not if he wants regular game time) imo. So he could make a move to the level below that although might find it hard to match his earnings/earnings potential here and if LVG does bring us back on track he might not want to miss out.
If he's not willing to wait any longer than may as well sell him now though.
There's been no indication that Young will be leaving. The list of players that LVG supposedly told could leave has been well known for a while but Young has never been mentioned.
The only positive in a loan, is we can do what Chelsea have cynically been doing for years. Sending their players on loan to rivals to batter other teams, knowing they can't play against them.
In all fairness, he should be the first one out the door.
It will be a surprise if we get anywhere near that amount for those players. They are on big wages and will be difficult to move.
Nah, Kagawa was signed before we opportunistically signed Van Persie. The idea was to play him off Rooney.
And to take the piss on Chelsea to prove that you can get a similar/better player than Hazard by paying less than half the money to the club and none to the agent. #value
How many attacking midfielders do Arsenal need? The only players they seem to have signed in the last 5 years are attacking midfielders.
And they are the standard bearers of Italian football right now too. How the mighty have fallen. I remember growing up and watching those magnificent Juve and Milan teams. Even Fiorentina had players like Batistuta. Granted Juve have a pretty good team right now but Buffon (36), Barzagli (33) and Pirlo (35) are all going to need replacing very soon and are all key players. They just don't have the funds to compete at the top end of the market. Chiellini and Tevez are both 30 too. They'll have to sell one of Vidal or Pogba I'd expect, which is why Marotta won't shut up about it. The CL money is better this year, so that'll help, but last year that lost 16M euros and the season before 45M euros despite increasing revenue 33%. Most of that money came from CL prize money and TV deals. Their debt as of 1 year ago was 160M euros. They don't have the same ability to service it as United do. Basically they are in a sell to buy situation on the whole. Lots of loans, and looking for out of contract players or good youth prospects like Pogba or Coman.
Italian football as a whole is fecked. Crappy attendances, inherent racism, shitty run down stadiums, plenty of hooliganism, rubbish TV deals, plenty of corruption from the top down. The guy just elected to be the president of their FA just referred to African players as "banana eating monkeys" or some such. And that was before the election. He still won. Milan, their biggest club, is now fielding a first team of players whop cost precisely zero. Not a penny. All loan players, or players picked up on a free. Torres is the next addition. Roma, which got bought by the American consortium looks the healthiest club right now, and they just flogged their best defender.
If Juve don't want to cough up or make some concession towards the Vidal deal, then after Evra and Pogba, I would tell them in no uncertain terms to go and feck themselves with regards to a loan for Hernandez. I'd take less money from someone else, just to make that happen.
Didn't we sign Kagawa before we were in for Hazard?? I thought the original idea was Rooney up top with Kagawa behind him and Hazard out on the left.
Don't see Young, Valencia, Welbeck, Lindegaard or Fellaini leaving , Nani & Zaha on loan and even maybe a couple of the others on loan too
Mmm, that worked out well.
If it's in euros then we've been shafted again
We are taking a loss? Hopefully its in pounds and not Euros. Cleverley with less than a year left in his contract is going for more money.
I hope we do spend a lot! But who knows.
De Gea, Amos or Johnstone, Luke Shaw, Rafael, Janko or Varela, Rojo, Jones, Smalling, Evans, Blackett, Reece James, Fletcher, Carrick, Herrera, Pereira, Mata, Powell, Angel di Maria, Januzaj, Lingard, Rooney, RVP, Wilson, Lawrence.
That is still a squad of 24 players therefore who knows what the board's strategy is since our standard annual budget next summer could cover a top CM and winger.
He played up front pretty much last season with Immobile and is equally as good out wide. Will probably play up top for them, especially with Giroud being out.
£8m in fecking robbery. I know we signed him for £12m, but we should be asking for £10m with add-ons.
This is based on the assumption Woodward manages to extract maximum value for these players, that was written in the post so you must have read it.
You therefore think no club in the world would ever consider paying £15m for Hernandez, £10m for Young or £5m for Anderson...
Flipping heck. Makes you realise how short on quality in depth we are currently. Good grief what was Fergie thinking season after season.
if such a paltry figure will be paid for kagawa i can only hope we are getting a first option on reus
Story comes from Sky Italy. Story involving a Japanese player, with a German and English club. Yep, I believe these guys have their finger on the pulse there. Anyone who calls them the biggest bullshitters in the history of transfers is wrong.
I'd want more than 12M for Kags. 15M at least , considering we paid 17M for him, he was in the last year of his contract and there's been inflation since. That said, if there is a longer term strategy vis a vis Hummels and/or Reus at play, then I'm all for it.
We bought him for £17m
We get all the options on Reus we want but I doubt he will want to move here.
No, no, no, he's worth way more then that, unless they are giving us first option on Hummels next summer as part of it.
10 mil for young would be highly improbable given his performances in the last few games. if we had been smart and sold him straight after pre-season we might have got the 10
I thought it was £12-13m.
The point was if we extract maximum value therefore not what we are likely to get but if Woodward can extract maximum value. I made that crystal clear in the post and even in the one you were replying to.
Dortmund wouldn't sell their 1st/2nd best player then for £12m. He won player of the year once or twice I think too.
More than recouping transfer fees, we're freeing up a huge amount of wages, which is likely to be more significant for our incoming transfer decisions.
Borini went for £14m, Young can go for £10m. Big Sam would love him feeding Carroll all day long and he might even take Fellaini from us to play behind Carroll.
The original article from Di Marzio says £8m + £2m.
http://gianlucadimarzio.com/news/borussia-dortmund-vicino-il-ritorno-di-kagawa-i-dettagli/
http://gianlucadimarzio.com/news/borussia-dortmund-vicino-il-ritorno-di-kagawa-i-dettagli/
Di Marzio seems quite revered on here. Why is that? Has he ever called anything accurately related to United transfers? Isn't he just another Sky Italia tossbag?
Hmmn, I checked again and they were announced a day from each other. Which means they were independent deals. My bad!
if we make the CL for next season then theres no reason why he wouldnt. he would start every important game for us, cant say the same for barca or madrid and lets face it, he wont go to italy. unless kagawa spends all season telling him to not come here i dont see why he wouldnt come to united. *if we make the CL and play attractive football while we are at it)
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