I wouldn't be opposed to that but I don't see it as a must if someone proven and stays fit was available
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I wouldn't be opposed to that but I don't see it as a must if someone proven and stays fit was available
Bring in Godin and get rid of Evans and Smalling. First choice CB's would be Godin, Rojo and Jones with Blackett and McNair as back up. In fact i don't even think that's enough CB's given how injury prone they all seem too be. I'd probably keep Smalling as well.
More importantly, Rojo is much more likely to be able to stay fit for an extended period than any of our other CBs. That alone makes him arguably our most valuable CB atm.
I agree, but I would like to have him as a cover for FB and DFM.
Why sell Smalling, the best CB we have?
You could replace Jones with a German Shepard and struggle to tell the difference
People's opinion on here seems to change from game to game. If Smalling plays bad then he's crap, if he plays well then he's our best CB. Proper knee-jerk stuff.
Thats not a bad idea, but I don't think LVG has any intention of playing Jones at DCM
If we're playing with 3 CBs going forward then we need six really. Assuming we keep the kids, Evans would be most likely to go in my opinion.
Rojo
(new cb)
Smalling/Jones
Blackett
Smalling/Jones
McNair
Rojo
(new cb)
Smalling/Jones
Blackett
Smalling/Jones
McNair
The reality is that we hardly play the one touch passing game anymore and we don't exactly play many forward through balls which are risky but in where the risk could come off and create a goal. How many times do we get the ball too start a counter attack and the player stops going forward and waits for players too get up the pitch? The old United would carry on the attack even with only 3 players getting forward and just go for it. This isn't happening now because its most likely the attackers don't want too lose the ball and heap pressure on our inconsistent defense.
How many times have you seen our attacking players have too track back this season too help the defense out? Its happening way too much mate. Don't get me wrong injuries haven't helped at all but we haven't once looked comfortable at the back. When we get attacked it always feels like we're in big trouble.
EDIT: Yeah I agree with you this should probably go too another thread now.
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Its football, thats how it works. People were calling for Vardy to get an England call up because he put one past us.
Hahaha that was comical!
Keep Jones, Rojo and one of McNair/Blackett (Although I suspect they'll both stay initially).
Sign Hummels and someone else (Subotic would be good). Varane would be a dream.
Sign Hummels and someone else (Subotic would be good). Varane would be a dream.
Hummels and Varane please. Evans can go.
Smalling/Jones/Hummels/Varane or Subotic/Rojo plus McNair/Blackett. Then we're talking.
Smalling/Jones/Hummels/Varane or Subotic/Rojo plus McNair/Blackett. Then we're talking.
Aparrently Inigo Martinez is also in the frame
If it helps I think he, Jones and Evans are crap regardless and we should get rid of all three.
being crap and being our best center back are not mutually exclusive.
People wanting to get rid of Jones and Smalling are mad. Both could easily be excellent defenders - Smalling actually are showing signs of it already.
Evans - is another story - him I think is gone in the summer.
Evans - is another story - him I think is gone in the summer.
If we are discussing which defenders should stay and leave. Smalling is our best defender (quite comfortably IMO) and it would be stupidity to sell him. He has his limitations on the ball granted, but I think with extra confidence and composure he has actually improved that side to his game even if it is lacking. Regardless, he is a very good defender and that's the main thing. I'm astonished at the amount of people who would rather keep Jones tbh.
Rojo has performed well enough to warrant extended time and seeing how van Gaal has a preference for a left-footer and right-footer at the back, we currently have no alternative to him. He has his moments, is a bit rash and looks utterly incapable of dealing with high or bouncing balls at times, but he has enough raw materials to become a decent defender for us. Lest we forget the partnership he struck up with Smalling earlier in the season.
Jones has performed well at the start of the season, but lacks the intelligence to really become a mainstay of the first team here and errors will always be a regularity of his. I'm often very critical of him and perhaps harshly so, but I just don't really rate him much at all and we need to vacate space for another centre back addition by offloading him then so be it.
As for Evans, he's a lost cause sadly. It's fair to suggest it is a unanimous verdict for those who want him out. Woefully mediocre player and that is being generous.
Juries out on McNair and Blackett. I'd keep them in the squad, purely because we have an injury-stricken defence so often and they at least have their uses, but I'm unconvinced they will actually make it here.
Rojo has performed well enough to warrant extended time and seeing how van Gaal has a preference for a left-footer and right-footer at the back, we currently have no alternative to him. He has his moments, is a bit rash and looks utterly incapable of dealing with high or bouncing balls at times, but he has enough raw materials to become a decent defender for us. Lest we forget the partnership he struck up with Smalling earlier in the season.
Jones has performed well at the start of the season, but lacks the intelligence to really become a mainstay of the first team here and errors will always be a regularity of his. I'm often very critical of him and perhaps harshly so, but I just don't really rate him much at all and we need to vacate space for another centre back addition by offloading him then so be it.
As for Evans, he's a lost cause sadly. It's fair to suggest it is a unanimous verdict for those who want him out. Woefully mediocre player and that is being generous.
Juries out on McNair and Blackett. I'd keep them in the squad, purely because we have an injury-stricken defence so often and they at least have their uses, but I'm unconvinced they will actually make it here.
Sad but true.
Jones and Smalling should stay in my opinion. Not fussed about Evans, he's been poor for a while now.
Why? LvG clearly rates Smalling the least from the trio of Evans, Jones and Chris.
1. Evans and Jones started every game in the league this season when they were fit.
2. Smalling did not.
3. Smalling is the only one of them who started against League One side which may be connected to resting best players and playing the second choices. Though it is possibly connected to Smalling having the least match practice.
My opinion has certainly shifted since the summer (when I'd almost certainly have said Evans is our best CB), which is ridiculous really as a good/bad 5 months does not make a good/bad player. He really looks utterly devoid of confidence though, and a spell of form as bad as this, at the beginning of a new manager's tenure, you have to think, probably fatal.
I'd be really surprised if one of these defenders we're being perpetually linked to, didn't arrive at some point this month.
Is this the Twitter Discussion thread or am I lost in the "Which CB don't we need" thread?
Probably bullshit but the daily express is linking us with Bale for 120 million.
Some other news articles are suggesting he's fallen out with a lot of the team due to his selfishness and Madrid are prepared to listen to offers.
Some other news articles are suggesting he's fallen out with a lot of the team due to his selfishness and Madrid are prepared to listen to offers.
Wouldn't bother with Hummels, mistake prone, slow and gets injured a lot too.
I think we should offload Jones and Evans, both injury prone and not great with the ball at their feet, which seems to be part of the 'philosophy'.
I think we should offload Jones and Evans, both injury prone and not great with the ball at their feet, which seems to be part of the 'philosophy'.
How many times are people going to blab this out? Sorry if I sound aggressive mate but He is NOT injury prone, well not yet anyway. He has averaged the following games per season in the last few years
2009/10- 33
2010/11- 42
2011/12- 46
2012/13- 42
2013/14- 34
I would absolutely love a defender who can average over 40 games a season, if that is injury prone then I give up.
Gundogan for 16m is an interesting one. BVB don't really sell their players, but they may want to cash in due to his injuries, so there maybe something in it
Hummels would be an absolute great signing, and hopefully would mean we would revert back to a 4 man defence
Hummels would be an absolute great signing, and hopefully would mean we would revert back to a 4 man defence
Gundogan and Hummels double in January would rival that of the summer just gone. Two world class players, 16m on Gundogan is a gamble I'd take all day long considering how good he is and Hummels just needs confidence to get back to his best, which is very, very good.
Gundogan leaving after years of taking his Dortmund salary while injured would be a little bit of a scummy thing to do. Didn't he extend for a year with them, which was presumably a good faith act on Dortmund's behalf during his rehab?
I'm sure he was out for a good few months last season? I know he made the world cup in time but I thought he'd just come back from injury just before. My only problem with him is some of the mistakes he makes, our defenders make mistakes and get slated for it and wouldn't want the same problems with him. Iron out the flaws and he'll be world class.
Hummels has been extremely shit lately.
In the position Dortmund are in at the minute they really shouldnt be letting any of these guys go, it will just deflate the club more, but decrease the value of the players if they are relegated
I'm assuming you watched all the games? Because that is simply not true.
We are a lot more likely
to qualify for Europe than Dortmund at the moment. He should be considering his options if a bid does come in.
to qualify for Europe than Dortmund at the moment. He should be considering his options if a bid does come in.
He could wait until the end of the season and ensure his current club dont go down, thats what I would do anyway
People who probably dont even watch Hummels repeat the same old stuff - injury prone, shit lately and makes mistakes a lot..
It's pretty obvious that Dortmund will be loath to lose one of their best players, never mind two, when they're facing a possible relegation battle.
Yup and one below par season has him knocked from world class to useless.. caf logic.
Definitely, same applies for Vidic, Evra and Rio of course.
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