Transfer Muppet Fantasy

antohan said:
In fairness crappy, Aldo has a point on rules being clear and ultimately deferring things for the game mod to rule on. There's quite clearly a problem here in that the game mod is playing and has been involved in all the deals you've complained about, which is unfortunate. But even leaving that aside your anxiety on making things run quicker, windows being shorter, etc. is quite disruptive. I can see where he is coming from.

It's not like we started having drafts yesterday, we had über-slow snake drafts for years with no major incidents other than that one time when I called Brwned Stalin :lol: Now I think of it, what is it with game mods getting embroiled in controversy? There was also that time Theon kept editing the rules and never thought about telling people about the changes, so come the semi he had two of his rivals up in arms because they had been playing based on the original reinforcement rules :lol: Not having a go here, I was helping him out then and can vouch for it being an accident. I actually spotted it first, brought it up with him and he was mortified.

Nah, we've always had blow-up incidents, but never ongoing chaos with everyone shooting in their own direction which is what Aldo is pointing at. Mind, the format doesn't help as the mod has zero control over what is going on.
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To be honest to you anto, I love your enthusiasm in these drafts and I do think every draft is poorer without you. But we have completely different approach when it comes to it. You would rather do what ever is in the rules, I would rather play the draft as it is intended to. As I said I don;t care anymore but I do stand by the principle of what all I said here. Others seeing different is not going to change it.
 
antohan said:
He isn't. He would be if he had to pay 10M + Ronaldo for Messi. He would have no cash left for Abidal.

The point was Pol was having a go at me for telling Annah not to accept that deal. My logic was he should replace Capdevila first and then see whether he can make a deal with whatever money he had left. Pol seems upset about that, apparently we are not allowed to offer our advice to players.
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Sorry but I have to wade in here. :lol:

RULE ALERT

If he does not have the cash to complete the Abidal deal he will invoke a 30m fine which I think would mean losing players worth that much he bought this round. :)
 
Apology from Crappy accepted

A few clarifications
Anto's exit was clearly explained several times, cannot be bothered to dredge the thread to retrieve the explanation, not sure why it was dragged up anyway.
Annah and myself, we are not gifting players to help one of us win as cited repeatedly in Crappy's example. If so I would have given him Messi or him Ronaldo

Anto, I was not upset, just pointing out that this 1:1 deal that you suggested was never going to fly. Put anyone in my shoes and odds are they won't accept either.
 
Polaroid said:
Apology from Crappy accepted

A few clarifications
Anto's exit was clearly explained several times, cannot be bothered to dredge the thread to retrieve the explanation, not sure why it was dragged up anyway.
Annah and myself, we are not gifting players to help one of us win as cited repeatedly in Crappy's example. If so I would have given him Messi or him Ronaldo

Anto, I was not upset, just pointing out that this 1:1 deal that you suggested was never going to fly. Put anyone in my shoes and odds are they won't accept either.
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To be fair Pol. it was brought up because Aldo was talking about me being petulant and that was admittedly one instance when I blew off the lid.
 
antohan said:
Nah, nothing wrong with the deal offered or Annah not taking it.

What is wrong is how mightily upset Pol seems to be that I told Annah what I thought he should do. Apparently if Messi and Ronaldo end up in the wrong teams it will all be my fault.
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On that I am on your side..it is your right to offer advice and I know I am grateful for all the advice I have got from you and others through out the draft.
 
We are selling players to raise funds
Make us an offer if you are interested
 
Having Ribery allows to me to go all out attack if needed with

-----------Ruud-----------
Ribery-----Goofy----Nedved
Carlos-----------------Alves
------Scholes--Davids------
------Montero--Thuram----

:drool:
 
I am done with any transfers unless someone frees up money for Polaroid to buy Ferdinand of me, if he does I need to buy a new CB. So do not end the draft period before that, going away now.

12-12-10-10=44 - 7=37 leaving 13 millions left.
 
Annahnomoss said:
I am done with any transfers unless someone frees up money for Polaroid to buy Ferdinand of me, if he does I need to buy a new CB. So do not end the draft period before that, going away now.

12-12-10-10=44 - 7=37 leaving 13 millions left.
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:confused: What's the 7 all about? Are you planning to sell Ferdinand for Gallas + 7M? Then go get another CB? What the feck are you getting Gallas for then?
 
Annahnomoss said:
I am done with any transfers unless someone frees up money for Polaroid to buy Ferdinand of me, if he does I need to buy a new CB. So do not end the draft period before that, going away now.

12-12-10-10=44 - 7=37 leaving 13 millions left.
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Ok I am sorry to start this up again. But this makes no sense now. anto covered it above but if you are going to buy another defender after selling Rio, why the feck are you getting Gallas in return.

If everyone involved thinks the deal is with in the rules, then why not just spell out what the exact fecking deal is for everyone to see.

I have asked about 3 times now what and when the deal was made. And gotten no clear reply from either Pol, Theon or Annah.
 
:lol: For the first time, I'm really glad I'm out of the game by now and don't have to care about that mess.


I suggested to Annah to go for a Spain theme instead of a Barca theme and play a double pivot, so that the focus shifts a bit away from tiki-taka and pressing and Ronaldo becomes a better fit. The idea was to buy Guardiola and use him in Alonso's role and therefore add a different kind of passing range from deep.

Iniesta Ronaldo Silva
Xavi
Guardiola Busquets
Abidal Cannavaro Ramos Lahm
Valdes​

Does anyone like that? I've no idea, what Annah has in mind now with the Gallas deal, just interested in opinions on that, because it's growing on me.
 
Balu said:
:lol: For the first time, I'm really glad I'm out of the game by now and don't have to care about that mess.


I suggested to Annah to go for a Spain theme instead of a Barca theme and play a double pivot, so that the focus shifts a bit away from tiki-taka and pressing and Ronaldo becomes a better fit. The idea was to buy Guardiola and use him in Alonso's role and therefore add a different kind of passing range from deep.

Iniesta Ronaldo Silva
Xavi
Guardiola Busquets
Abidal Cannavaro Ramos Lahm
Valdes​

Does anyone like that? I've no idea, what Annah has in mind now with the Gallas deal, just interested in opinions on that, because it's growing on me.
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I never liked that double pivot system, it was overly cautious and made them as boring as watching paint dry. Yes it was effective but clearly that Barca trio would be best in the system Pep put them in.
 
Aldo said:
I never liked that double pivot system, it was overly cautious and made them as boring as watching paint dry. Yes it was effective but clearly that Barca trio would be best in the system Pep put them in.
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Agree. But if you don't want to get robbed in a Messi - Ronaldo deal, what choice do you have? At one point, you need to tell the other party to feck off and find other solutions. And that team could at least handle a lot more pressure defensively and fully exploit Ronaldo's abilities at times.
 
Balu said:
:lol: For the first time, I'm really glad I'm out of the game by now and don't have to care about that mess.


I suggested to Annah to go for a Spain theme instead of a Barca theme and play a double pivot, so that the focus shifts a bit away from tiki-taka and pressing and Ronaldo becomes a better fit. The idea was to buy Guardiola and use him in Alonso's role and therefore add a different kind of passing range from deep.

Iniesta Ronaldo Silva
Xavi
Guardiola Busquets
Abidal Cannavaro Ramos Lahm
Valdes​

Does anyone like that? I've no idea, what Annah has in mind now with the Gallas deal, just interested in opinions on that, because it's growing on me.
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What Aldo said. I despise Spanish NT tik tika, Barca one is ok mainly due to Messi.
 
Balu said:
:lol: For the first time, I'm really glad I'm out of the game by now and don't have to care about that mess.


I suggested to Annah to go for a Spain theme instead of a Barca theme and play a double pivot, so that the focus shifts a bit away from tiki-taka and pressing and Ronaldo becomes a better fit. The idea was to buy Guardiola and use him in Alonso's role and therefore add a different kind of passing range from deep.

Iniesta Ronaldo Silva
Xavi
Guardiola Busquets
Abidal Cannavaro Ramos Lahm
Valdes​

Does anyone like that? I've no idea, what Annah has in mind now with the Gallas deal, just interested in opinions on that, because it's growing on me.
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I usually like anything with Guardiola in it, but his style was very different as a player from what he preached as manager. Mind, I think that's what you are getting at, that he would break the tiki-taka rhythm and just play a wonderful ball for Ronaldo. Heart says yeah, head says nay.
 
Balu said:
Agree. But if you don't want to get robbed in a Messi - Ronaldo deal, what choice do you have? At one point, you need to tell the other party to feck off and find other solutions. And that team could at least handle a lot more pressure defensively and fully exploit Ronaldo's abilities at times.
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Wait, what? So we were assuming it was all my fault and it was yours?

Great minds think alike ;)
 
Balu said:
Agree. But if you don't want to get robbed in a Messi - Ronaldo deal, what choice do you have? At one point, you need to tell the other party to feck off and find other solutions. And that team could at least handle a lot more pressure defensively and fully exploit Ronaldo's abilities at times.
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Yeah well it would be boring as feck to watch but will get results.
 
crappycraperson said:
Ok I am sorry to start this up again. But this makes no sense now. anto covered it above but if you are going to buy another defender after selling Rio, why the feck are you getting Gallas in return.

If everyone involved thinks the deal is with in the rules, then why not just spell out what the exact fecking deal is for everyone to see.

I have asked about 3 times now what and when the deal was made. And gotten no clear reply from either Pol, Theon or Annah.
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The fecking deal is I don't raise Cannavaro/Ferdinand = he is assured of getting one of them at a price he can afford, I get the other.
It was already explained in my earlier post.
You had the chance to bid for both, you declined so it is none of your business now really

antohan said:
Wait, what? So we were assuming it was all my fault and it was yours?

Great minds think alike ;)
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Poor Anto, always the victim
 
Polaroid said:
The fecking deal is I don't raise Cannavaro/Ferdinand = he is assured of getting one of them at a price he can afford, I get the other.
It was already explained in my earlier post.
You had the chance to bid for both, you declined so it is none of your business now really
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Whatever mate. I take back what ever I said earlier. You are right though, it is none of my business, if people want to cheat to win internet draft games then let them be. I will have just have my fun.
 
antohan said:
Wait, what? So we were assuming it was all my fault and it was yours?

Great minds think alike ;)
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Not really. He never told me what Pol wanted for Ronaldo, we never really discussed the deal between them. I just expected that the deal wouldn't happen from the start and gave him a different idea for his team. For what it's worth, I believe Ronaldo improves Pol's team just as much as Messi improves Annah's team. If Pol plans to play Messi as a winger, then he's not worth more money than the striker Ronaldo. Just my opinion though, don't want to start the discussion again and I wouldn't necessarily follow my advice if you want to win the draft, after all the Nedved - Giggs deal probably lost me my last game :lol:.
 
Polaroid said:
During the window you are free to bid for these players, if you chose not to and others proceeded to fulfill their deals, you then voice your objection after the auction?
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Why put your money where your mouth is when it costs nothing to object to other people's deals?
 
Updated Player Lists

Annahmoss - 12 players Xavi 66M, Busquets 54M, Iniesta 89M (from paceme), Neymar 12m(from GG) D.Silva 18m, Valdes(Dida>Edgar) 10m, Dante 10M , Boateng 10m, Lewandowski 10M, Zabaleta 10M(Sold for 20mill to Kps88), Ramos(10 mill from EAP, 4 mill goes Aldo forEAP's dept to Aldo) Capdevila 10M, Ronaldo(BRA) 59M Muller (2M) Cannavarro (12m), Rio Ferdinand (12m), Lahm (10m), Abidal (10m) = 6m

MJJ - 14 players Giggs (Nedved (60m) -14m), Sagna (10m) Ronaldo(102m) DDG(10m) Shearer(25m), Varane 10m, Felipe Luis 10m, Emerson 12m, Rooney 34m,Marquez 14m(sold to Crappy for 2m), Fabregas 12m, Cole 10m, Nesta 25m, Keane 30m , Stam (10m), Zanetti (15m), Henry (10m) = 17m

Crappy - 14 players Ronaldinho (70m), Scholes(55m), P.Montero(27m), D.Alves(32m), Peruzzi (10m), Ribery(40m), Sorin(12m)(sold to EAP 4m), Van Persie(10m), De Rossi(22m), Helguera(11m) Naybet 10M, Martinez (10m), R.Carlos (24m), Sol Campbell (10m), Ruud (10m), Thuram (18m), Davids (17m), Marquez (2m) = 14m

Pol/Theon - 13 players Lucio (26m), Marcelo (21m) Cafú (52m) Rivaldo (69m), Lloris (10m) Modric (18m) Gallas (12m) Vidal (25m), Shevchenko (31) Muller (20m- sold to Annnah for 2m) Maschherano (10m), Figo (18m) Kaka (10m), Seedorf (10m), Zidane (10m), Messi (39m), Vieira (16m) = 5m
 
Polaroid said:
The fecking deal is I don't raise Cannavaro/Ferdinand = he is assured of getting one of them at a price he can afford, I get the other.
It was already explained in my earlier post.
You had the chance to bid for both, you declined so it is none of your business now really
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But where does Gallas come into it? When you run out of cash? So yeah, it is crappy's (and MJJs) deal because the money you didn't tie up on Ferdinand was then used to outbid them on Vieira and now you still get Rio by throwing in some worthless lump you had to spare. There's no way Annah could be in a binding commitment to give you Rio for whatever shit you want to throw his way.

Poor Anto, always the victim
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YOU came in here telling me off for ruining that deal. I was just in here talking about Boniek and shit. It turns out I'm not alone in thinking it made no sense. Not that I had to excuse myself or apologise to you for expressing my views on stuff.
 
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