Picking and choosing your evidence to justify your claim we are colluding and not competing?
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What the feck do you want Gallas for? Or the 7 or 5 million for that matter.
It is only about the Rio deal. Instead of competing for him if you two cut a deal not to raise each other on targets then yes, that is colluding. Very definition of it.
That makes no sense Annah. None.
Fair enough man, I'm done with this anyway and am going to bed!
I don't think there has been any planning or teamwork between the two teams.
What I don't get is why anyone but Pol or annah has a say in what they do with their players.
But then not the first time people have tried to run this draft according to their own made up moral code of conduct, making it a complete mess.
Things would be a lot smoother and peaceful if everyone did their job and let the mod and others do theirs, maybe without throwing a hissy fit.
But then not the first time people have tried to run this draft according to their own made up moral code of conduct, making it a complete mess.
Things would be a lot smoother and peaceful if everyone did their job and let the mod and others do theirs, maybe without throwing a hissy fit.
I think things would go smoothly if everyone just played an internet football draft game properly rather than looking up ways around the rules to gain an advantage either way.
What's wrong in me offering Scholes for Marquez to MJJ? That's within the rules right? So should not be against any made up moral code. But you are having a laugh if you think that is playing the draft right way.
Anyway, since I am the only one who cares about this, then let it be I guess. At least last time @Balu agreed with me. 
Not sure about Scholes deal. I have offered him to MJJ, will see what he says when he is online.
Not sure about Scholes deal. I have offered him to MJJ, will see what he says when he is online.
Everyone has a different opinion of what the "right way" is, so there's no point in getting into that.
We can't have 16 people trying 16 different things in the same draft which is "right" according to them, which is the reason one guy is incharge of it. When you signed up for it you agreed to going by the rules he would decide. If you have so many ideas of the "right way" try out in the next one which you can organize rather than trying to change every rule set every second minute.
Well, I found it weird because I had a convo with Annah earlier and he was considering a swap with Nesta which I had discussed with MJJ. I was fully expecting them to conclude that deal at some point today.
- Suddenly Gallas shows up out of nowhere, which makes no sense.
- I say so.
- Pol disses me saying he wouldn't announce something that isn't agreed.
- Annah says he hasn't agreed.
Go ahead Crappy and Anto, say your piece, I am signing out
Completely agree.
It's ridiculously hard work running these drafts and Pol has had to deal with a lot of shit in this one, with it being a new theme.
I don't want to take a pop at you and it's fair for you to have your view crappy but moaning about the rules isn't right when it's a pain in the arse to run these things. The rules are the same for everyone and everyone has done transfers. If Pol and Annah agree a deal then that's fine.
You actually did not give answer if swapping Scholes for Marquez would be fair.
What if two posters straight after the auctions, got best players in one team transferred to another to make a super team straight away? How can you stop that by making any kind of rules? If mod himself is doing that should we just stay mum and play along? Non sense.
I am not moaning about the rules. I have already said this is within the rules.
There may not even an issue here since no one has actually answered properly when or what exactly the deal was.
I threw my toys out because I assumed that deal was made even before Rio was sold that you guys won't raise him. If it was made after Rio was sold then I have zero issues.
The above I agree with.
I'm not questioning the rules nor think there's any collusion. In fact, the opposite. Looks like Annah is being taken to the cleaners for not agreeing to pay extra for Messi and whatever spastic arrangement they had made beforehand.
Just read up. We were all having fun discussing the 50s draft and Pol comes in out of nowhere saying the Messi-Ronaldo deal will never happen and it is all my fault, yadda yadda, then discloses an insanely stupid deal...
Something's off there. I don't think Annah looks happy and MJJ certainly won't be happy to see Gallas+5M (or 7M, no idea why they are arguing over 2 bob) is preferred over Nesta. Crappy clearly isn't happy, that we can all tell
Of course I have an issue with it.
If it's within the rules, it's fair, end of. You had the rules in front of yu from day one, it's not something he has changed midway so if you had a problem you should have said so then. As for what you wanna do with Scholes or any of your players, sure go ahead.
I was refraining on bringing this up but you have been really petulant since day 1. You did it in the sheep draft and now you have done it in this one. Pol had the balls to try out this format knowing how difficult it is. I had known about it for ages but didn't try it out because i knew how tricky it is to organize but he finally tried it but instead of getting cooperation and encouragement all he got was constant complains and players trying to go their own way at every second moment, which borders on complete misbehaviour and disregard of one's time and effort, so much so that he has resigned from the duty of the organizer.
This really needs to sort out or it would completely hamper the future of drafts around here. Anto has pretty much cancelled the sheep draft he was going to run and lot of it is due to this whole new trend of throwing hissy fits as soon as you don't like the rules. We need to get a lot stricter with this, the organizer decides what the rules are and that's that. If someone doesn't think it's the "right way" or the waiting time is too long or anything, he can always conduct his own draft later or wait for the next one.
But this constant cribbing and complaining really needs to end.
Ah fair enough man, not sure what's going on really.
Yeah like I said its fine for you to have an opinion, but this was a hard draft to run and the rules have really been made up as the draft has gone along. Annah and Pol didnt break any rules here and IMO definitely have not teamed up or colluded to get better sides. They should have worked together a lot more than they have and its benefited you and MJJ that they havent!
I don't get why Annah is making any deals with his defense.
Abidal-Cannavarro-Rio-Lahm is as good as it gets bar Abidal but then he has the Barca connection.
MJJ selling Nesta is also different kind of crazy. He has a proven partnership there in Nesta-Stam
Abidal-Cannavarro-Rio-Lahm is as good as it gets bar Abidal but then he has the Barca connection.
MJJ selling Nesta is also different kind of crazy. He has a proven partnership there in Nesta-Stam
In this draft, players have spent as much if not more time than the organizer.
Only issues in sheep draft was the sheeps and I happily accepted the worst sheeps out of the lot. So not sure what you are going on about there.
Fine if you think I am going overboard here, I will stop. Worth keeping in mind that I have said several times previously that Pol is one of the better draft players on here.
I completely disagree with you about just following the rules though. Two people trying to cheat or find a way outside the rules ruins the draft and time of every other player. It can not be just about obeying the rules and that's it.
feck me sideways
The MJJ deal over Nesta has more to do with him having a very clear Premiership theme so Rio would fit him like a glove. It's more a theme thing than a quality thing.
Very much the same stuff I've said about the whole Messi-Ronaldo situation, both teams look better as a result so there should be a reasonable agreement found. A reasonable agreement isn't having to play Capdevila at LB to pay some extra cash being demanded. You are as good as gone then, so what's the point anyway? Pay whatever is left over after shoring up the defence? Yeah, that's alright I guess.
It's not cheating if it is within the rules, it's that simple. It was the same when Theon accused Pol of cheating in the WC one due to his assumption that he will play Maldini as right back. You can frown upon it as much as you want, but it's not cheating.
Fact is everytime we try a new format, which even the WC one was as usually we go on whole career and not tournaments, there would be instances where one things the other is not playing in the spirit or whatever it is but if everytime that happens it means a massive meltdown and things getting halted, then it's just not going to work. I know how much time goes into a draft, I've played over a dozen of these but at the same time once the draft has started, you cannot ask for rule changes or people agreeing to things not wrong according to the rules. Things get set in the beginning and we go on from there according to those, that needs to happen or drafts are going to turn into handbag slinging every second minute and that is not why anyone is playing this.
Not sure what the issue is here really. Polaroid has 5 million, we have agreed on a deal for 7 millions that you think benefits Polaroid. This means he has to sell players for two millions, before he can finalize this deal. This means you and MJJ have destiny in your own hands.
You can buy players of him on the cheap and suddenly the winner of this deal is Crappy or MJJ rather than Polaroid. So accusing him of cheating here is not taking the entire picture in to this.
I accepted the deal because I know Polaroid has to sell 1 player at a minimum, if you guys are hard 2, to do it. Massively weakening his team which currently is the best but has a poor defense. If you don't like the deal you can refuse to take advantage of this which means he can't get the money to make it final.
I don't think Ferdinand is bad by any means, he is brilliant, but my theme is more strict than that. It was a difficult decision seeing Ferdinand go for 10 millions so I hoped I could push the price up an inch so I felt better choosing the defender I wanted in the end.
You can buy players of him on the cheap and suddenly the winner of this deal is Crappy or MJJ rather than Polaroid. So accusing him of cheating here is not taking the entire picture in to this.
I accepted the deal because I know Polaroid has to sell 1 player at a minimum, if you guys are hard 2, to do it. Massively weakening his team which currently is the best but has a poor defense. If you don't like the deal you can refuse to take advantage of this which means he can't get the money to make it final.
I don't think Ferdinand is bad by any means, he is brilliant, but my theme is more strict than that. It was a difficult decision seeing Ferdinand go for 10 millions so I hoped I could push the price up an inch so I felt better choosing the defender I wanted in the end.
I think you are talking garbage.
People spend 2 weeks bidding for players and assembling a team. Then two players collude and one team transfers Zidane, Ruud, Ribery, Nesta to the other team for Rooney, Adriano, Neymar and Naybet. That would be with in the rules but are you seriously telling me other players won't be pissed off?
Here is when I blew off the lid here -
- anto was thrown out because some other people had problem with his tactics. He did not break any rules what so ever. Why was that done then? Can you answer?
- The Muller deal, which actually was against the rules and even Balu agreed. You can not start spending money you don't have
- This scenario where you and I have completely different ideas about how a draft should be played.
Jeez Annah... you have not read any of my posts. If you did not have this deal in place before you bought Rio then I have zero issues.
I don't care if you made a deal after the auction to benefit Pol, that is your prerogative. Just like selling Muller for 2m was Pol's
I did not throw anto out. Nor did I ever said he should have been.I think you are talking garbage.
People spend 2 weeks bidding for players and assembling a team. Then two players collude and one team transfers Zidane, Ruud, Ribery, Nesta to the other team for Rooney, Adriano, Neymar and Naybet. That would be with in the rules but are you seriously telling me other players won't be pissed off?
Here is when I blew off the lid here -
- anto was thrown out because some other people had problem with his tactics. He did not break any rules what so ever. Why was that done then? Can you answer?
- The Muller deal, which actually was against the rules and even Balu agreed. You can not start spending money you don't have
- This scenario where you and I have completely different ideas about how a draft should be played.
The Muller deal was different and there was a case of it being outside the rules.
There is absolutely no such thing here. It was a transfer like any other.
About how a draft should be played, for me a draft should be played without having constant moan about every single thing when you agreed to sign up after reading the rules.
feck me sideways
The MJJ deal over Nesta has more to do with him having a very clear Premiership theme so Rio would fit him like a glove. It's more a theme thing than a quality thing.
Very much the same stuff I've said about the whole Messi-Ronaldo situation, both teams look better as a result so there should be a reasonable agreement found. A reasonable agreement isn't having to play Capdevila at LB to pay some extra cash being demanded. You are as good as gone then, so what's the point anyway? Pay whatever is left over after shoring up the defence? Yeah, that's alright I guess.
I don't rate Abidal.
MJJ already has Zanetti and the best PL right back he can do is Neville so theme would never be complete.
I did suggest to him the England back 4 -
Cole-Sol-Rio-Gary.
You have not said a word about the scenario I posted because you know that a draft would not be allowed to go on if that happened, despite it being in the rules.
I have already explicitly stated my objection to this deal. If it was done after the Rio sale then I have no objections what so ever. If it was done before, then I stand by all of my comments.
I think you are talking garbage.
People spend 2 weeks bidding for players and assembling a team. Then two players collude and one team transfers Zidane, Ruud, Ribery, Nesta to the other team for Rooney, Adriano, Neymar and Naybet. That would be with in the rules but are you seriously telling me other players won't be pissed off?
Here is when I blew off the lid here -
- anto was thrown out because some other people had problem with his tactics. He did not break any rules what so ever. Why was that done then? Can you answer?
- The Muller deal, which actually was against the rules and even Balu agreed. You can not start spending money you don't have
- This scenario where you and I have completely different ideas about how a draft should be played.
Not really. Either you discuss the rules at the start which can lead to a scenario which you think is not the "right way", or you go by it and not tell everyone what they should do.
You knew about transfers from day 1, and if you had a problem with transfers you should have said it then. Right now you don't have any right ordering them how they should transfer their players.
Fair enough.
I for one know that any draft that I will organize in future, will not allow everyone try to pull it in their own direction every second minute. So only those who agree to go with the rules decided at the start with everyone's agreement till the end would be welcome to play it.
What will happen if some one throws a hissy fit due to a mod decision? You will throw them out? More controversy and arguments.
Leave that to me.What will happen if some one throws a hissy fit due to a mod decision? You will throw them out? More controversy and arguments.
Can someone explain how is annah. being forced to play capdevila as a LB?
What will happen if some one throws a hissy fit due to a mod decision? You will throw them out? More controversy and arguments.
In fairness crappy, Aldo has a point on rules being clear and ultimately deferring things for the game mod to rule on. There's quite clearly a problem here in that the game mod is playing and has been involved in all the deals you've complained about, which is unfortunate. But even leaving that aside your anxiety on making things run quicker, windows being shorter, etc. is quite disruptive. I can see where he is coming from.
It's not like we started having drafts yesterday, we had über-slow snake drafts for years with no major incidents other than that one time when I called Brwned Stalin
Now I think of it, what is it with game mods getting embroiled in controversy? There was also that time Theon kept editing the rules and never thought about telling people about the changes, so come the semi he had two of his rivals up in arms because they had been playing based on the original reinforcement rules Not having a go here, I was helping him out then and can vouch for it being an accident. I actually spotted it first, brought it up with him and he was mortified.Nah, we've always had blow-up incidents, but never ongoing chaos with everyone shooting in their own direction which is what Aldo is pointing at. Mind, the format doesn't help as the mod has zero control over what is going on.
Also MJJ correctly refused the Scholes deal. Fair play to him.
I'm here for a few hours so let me know once everyone is done and I can do it no issue.
He isn't. He would be if he had to pay 10M + Ronaldo for Messi. He would have no cash left for Abidal.
The point was Pol was having a go at me for telling Annah not to accept that deal. My logic was he should replace Capdevila first and then see whether he can make a deal with whatever money he had left. Pol seems upset about that, apparently we are not allowed to offer our advice to players.
Okay...I dont see anything wrong with that either.
Pass.
Nah, nothing wrong with the deal offered or Annah not taking it.
What is wrong is how mightily upset Pol seems to be that I told Annah what I thought he should do. Apparently if Messi and Ronaldo end up in the wrong teams it will all be my fault.