Transfer Muppet Fantasy

Polaroid said:
Why put your money where your mouth is when it costs nothing to object to other people's deals?
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It is clear to everyone what has happened here. I could break down the mechanics of that deal and how little sense it makes.

But I am going to take @Aldo advise and not interfere since that it is your draft after all, so you can carry on as you want.

You won't hear anything from me anymore about other people's business. I am just waiting to get Nedved to finish my own business anyway.

Good luck for the next round, hopefully we draw each other, would be a nice grudge match if nothing else. :p
 
crappycraperson said:
Whatever mate. I take back what ever I said earlier. You are right though, it is none of my business, if people want to cheat to win internet draft games then let them be. I will have just have my fun.
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How are we cheating? we are helping annah to win or annah is helping us to win?
 
antohan said:
But where does Gallas come into it? When you run out of cash? So yeah, it is crappy's (and MJJs) deal because the money you didn't tie up on Ferdinand was then used to outbid them on Vieira and now you still get Rio by throwing in some worthless lump you had to spare. There's no way Annah could be in a binding commitment to give you Rio for whatever shit you want to throw his way.

YOU came in here telling me off for ruining that deal. I was just in here talking about Boniek and shit. It turns out I'm not alone in thinking it made no sense. Not that I had to excuse myself or apologise to you for expressing my views on stuff.
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And is there anything stopping them from cutting a deal or bidding for Cannavaro/Ferdinand too? None
What is binding is between Annah and us, not for you to dictate

crappycraperson said:
I have drawn a line under it.

Just waiting for my team to finish and go on to my match.
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Draw a line after calling us cheats
Why am I wasting my time here? As you said, you have spent as much if not more time and effort than us running this, you can run it the way you like, I am out of here for good. Sorry Theon, I have enough of this shit
 
Polaroid said:
Draw a line after calling us cheats
Why am I wasting my time here? As you said, you have spent as much if not more time and effort than us running this, you can run it the way you like, I am out of here for good. Sorry Theon, I have enough of this shit
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Why do you care what I feel if you think you are completely in the right?

I can't change how I feel. But I have decided not to say anything what so ever any more about other people's deals and transfers. That's all there is to it and I have already moved on. I am not running anything.
 
Polaroid said:
And is there anything stopping them from cutting a deal or bidding for Cannavaro/Ferdinand too? None
What is binding is between Annah and us, not for you to dictate
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I don't see an issue with agreeing not to keep raising someone and making some form of deal, it has been done throughout. The others do have the option to bid indeed.

That's not what I'm getting at. What I'm getting at is you then spunked your available cash (since it hadn't been tied up by you but Annah) on Vieira outbidding others, then want to push through the "agreed deal" with a useless player in part exchange. That makes no sense to me and I can't for the life of me see how it is in Annah's interest.

If you raise the cash and pay him 12M that's absolutely fine, see no issues with that at all obviously.
 
Never been a big fan of transfers because of this. For instance I have a poor left back like Clichy but two top strikers like Henry and Batistuta. Another guy has Lahm and Ashley Cole. Ideally a swap of Ashley Cole - Henry doesn't feel right in terms of quality but I need a good left back desperately. So, while the swap deal doesn't make sense to others, it makes sense to me as I need Ashley Cole desperately. This whole thing can get extremely dodgy which is why I don't like the idea of transfers in draft. Even though I get from where Crappy is coming from, I don't think its right slate Pol for this. From my past experience, organizing a auction/bidding draft is a complete pain in the arse and the fact that the draft has gone so well till now, Pol deserve credit for that.
 
Sammer's Hammer said:
Never been a big fan of transfers because of this. For instance I have a poor left back like Clichy but two top strikers like Henry and Batistuta. Another guy has Lahm and Ashley Cole. Ideally a swap of Ashley Cole - Henry doesn't feel right in terms of quality but I need a good left back desperately. So, while the swap deal doesn't make sense to others, it makes sense to me as I need Ashley Cole desperately. This whole thing can get extremely dodgy which is why I don't like the idea of transfers in draft. Even though I get from where Crappy is coming from, I don't think its right slate Pol for this. From my past experience, organizing a auction/bidding draft is a complete pain in the arse and the fact that the draft has gone so well till now, Pol deserve credit for that.
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Absolutely.

The problem here though is I don't think there are two willing parties. It seems, from what we are told, that Pol and Annah cut a deal to not raise Rio further (fine). The deal was Pol would then get one of Rio or Cannavaro (fine). But then Pol ran out of money bidding on other stuff and now expects Annah to honour the agreement and take the best of the two (or at least the ball-playing one, which is required in Annah's theme) by giving him not 12M cash but 5M and William fecking Gallas, who should be nowhere near a teamsheet at this stage, let alone a tiki taka one.

Annah himself admits he has no use for Gallas, wants at least 7M, and will go off and buy another CB. It's manic, it doesn't make any sense. I don't think Annah has to fulfill the agreement under those terms, only if he is given the 12M he had bid on Rio when that was agreed. Don't you agree?
 
Anto, Annah can speak for himself if he thinks he's getting cheated.
 
Sammer's Hammer said:
Never been a big fan of transfers because of this. For instance I have a poor left back like Clichy but two top strikers like Henry and Batistuta. Another guy has Lahm and Ashley Cole. Ideally a swap of Ashley Cole - Henry doesn't feel right in terms of quality but I need a good left back desperately. So, while the swap deal doesn't make sense to others, it makes sense to me as I need Ashley Cole desperately. This whole thing can get extremely dodgy which is why I don't like the idea of transfers in draft. Even though I get from where Crappy is coming from, I don't think its right slate Pol for this. From my past experience, organizing a auction/bidding draft is a complete pain in the arse and the fact that the draft has gone so well till now, Pol deserve credit for that.
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I said we should not have transfers for this very reason. It was always going to end in tears.
 
Well I do feel bad for my part in this. And I did say I was moving on from it and refused to discuss it further. I did genuinely apologize once but I stand by what I said after what Annah disclosed in this thread. That's just how I feel, I was never going to lie about my opinions, there is no point in that.

Anyway there is no point in continuing with this draft, it is definitely tainted and ruined. I am out.
 
kps88 said:
Anto, Annah can speak for himself if he thinks he's getting cheated.
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I never once said there was any cheating involved. In fact said the opposite when collusion was brought up. It did seem unreasonable though that Annah was expected to honour a deal under those terms.

Annah quite clearly said a few times he wasn't having it, so it's not like I was picking up an argument for the sake of it.
 
antohan said:
I never once said there was any cheating involved. In fact said the opposite when collusion was brought up. It did seem unreasonable though that Annah was expected to honour a deal under those terms.

Annah quite clearly said a few times he wasn't having it, so it's not like I was picking up an argument for the sake of it.
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I didn't mean cheating in the literal sense. More that if he feels he's gotten a bad deal or being forced to do something he wasn't agreeable to, he's capable of speaking out. He seems to want Gallas for some reason, that's his issue.
 
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Accusing someone of cheating is extremely distasteful and should really not be repeated no matter what. Criticize all you want but I can account for everyone here and say that no one is that sad that he will go on and cheat in some internet game just to win it and get a kick out of it. I'm not blaming crappy as he's realized and apologized for it but I can completely understand why Pol has felt so bad about it. It has happened for the second time with him, and no one would like to hear being called someone who has nothing better to do than cheat in internet games etc, specially the guy who set it up both times.

I hope this at least teaches us a lesson for future drafts. It's something I quite like and I care about to an extent and it will be great if we can go back to the times when the rules and the competition part of it was kept casual and things were let slip by even if someone did not completely agree with it to avoid making a complete mess and creating a situation where things such as these are said.
 
antohan said:
Absolutely.

The problem here though is I don't think there are two willing parties. It seems, from what we are told, that Pol and Annah cut a deal to not raise Rio further (fine). The deal was Pol would then get one of Rio or Cannavaro (fine). But then Pol ran out of money bidding on other stuff and now expects Annah to honour the agreement and take the best of the two (or at least the ball-playing one, which is required in Annah's theme) by giving him not 12M cash but 5M and William fecking Gallas, who should be nowhere near a teamsheet at this stage, let alone a tiki taka one.

Annah himself admits he has no use for Gallas, wants at least 7M, and will go off and buy another CB. It's manic, it doesn't make any sense. I don't think Annah has to fulfill the agreement under those terms, only if he is given the 12M he had bid on Rio when that was agreed. Don't you agree?
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Honestly mate, its upto Annah and Pol to figure that out in PMs since they had discussed the whole thing initially. Let them decide regarding it. It doesn't and shouldn't matter what I or anyone else feels is right or wrong because what matters the most is what the two parties who were involved in the negotiations decide.
 
crappycraperson said:
I said we should not have transfers for this very reason. It was always going to end in tears.
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It was but that is because Pol and other didn't think it would turn this bad when in reality it turns really ugly. Anyway, no use crying over spilt milk. Whatever gone is gone. We should simply think of continuing this draft and finishing it and let Annah and Pol decide it in private how they want to deal with the issue.
 
Sammer's Hammer said:
It was but that is because Pol and other didn't think it would turn this bad when in reality it turns really ugly. Anyway, no use crying over spilt milk. Whatever gone is gone. We should simply think of continuing this draft and finishing it and let Annah and Pol decide it in private how they want to deal with the issue.
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Well Pol has left the forum, unless Theon takes over the team there's no way of continuing this.
 
I think it's very unfortunate what has happened, but I've just read through the whole last 5 pages or so and it's just a mess.

Not sure why Pol had to quit the entire forum, don't think there was any need for that.

This whole thing went overboard massively. Like @Balu I'm glad i got out of this one!
 
VivaJanuzaj said:
Wait wait wait.. What happened?
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Read the last 5 pages - it's extremely petty by all parties involved, and taken away from what was an exciting albeit unclear draft. A lot of bringing up things from the past, a lot of calling people out for small things, a lot of bitter hate from previous arguments.

It's a shame Pol had to leave, and we all went a bit too far with our criticisms. Overly dramatic but I can certainly understand why it becomes frustrating.

I think in future, we are actually quite a small drafting community. There aren't that many of us who consistently play in these drafts, and we don't need to see that community dwindle away. We will always have disagreements - that is in the nature of the game we are playing. People care about this stuff and incidentally that is why this is so fun - because it actually is worth playing as people do discuss and get involved.

We need to, though, start putting these differences to bed as and when they arise. There is no use bringing up the past every time there is a problem. We are all adults here, we should get along. Otherwise these drafts will never be played again, and no one will take the risk of trying something new.
 
It's no surprise that this has happened. The auction draft lends itself to this kind of breakdown more than any of the others.
 
crappycraperson said:
Well I do feel bad for my part in this. And I did say I was moving on from it and refused to discuss it further. I did genuinely apologize once but I stand by what I said after what Annah disclosed in this thread. That's just how I feel, I was never going to lie about my opinions, there is no point in that.

Anyway there is no point in continuing with this draft, it is definitely tainted and ruined. I am out.
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Well done Crappy. And you accused others of taking it too seriously. Absolutely pathetic.

If Annah wanted to make a deal with him then he could, it's absolutely none of your business. You've criticised and moaned throughout this draft and I'm not surprised he got sick off it.

Have to say, no surprise antohan is involved in the controversy again. As predictable as night following day.
 
Theon said:
Well done Crappy. And you accused others of taking it too seriously. Absolutely pathetic.

If Annah wanted to make a deal with him then he could, it's absolutely none of your business. You've criticised and moaned throughout this draft and I'm not surprised he got sick off it.

Have to say, no surprise antohan is involved in the controversy again. As predictable as night following day.
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To be honest Theon, this kind of post is exactly why this situation has occurred. It's petty, and you have absolutely no right to judge other people if you're going to make this kind of "I'm way better than everyone and so I can judge everyone" mentality.
 
rpitroda said:
To be honest Theon, this kind of post is exactly why this situation has occurred. It's petty, and you have absolutely no right to judge other people if you're going to make this kind of "I'm way better than everyone and so I can judge everyone" mentality.
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Whatever ripitoda, there's been a fair bit of pettiness in this thread and someone has left because of it. I've just logged on to the PM's he sent before he left and I'm entitled to make a comment - others certainly have.

I'm not sure how this kind of post causes the situation, think you're talking bollocks there.
 
Theon said:
Whatever ripitoda, there's been a fair bit of pettiness in this thread and someone has left because of it. I've just logged on to the PM's he sent before he left and I'm entitled to make a comment - others certainly have.

I'm not sure how this kind of post causes the situation, think you're talking bollocks there.
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Haha OK mate :lol:
 
It's the usual shite degenerating out of a combination of long-standing grievances, a lack of appreciation of the amount of stress experienced by the mod in running a draft, petty and sensitive attitudes and a new-difficult-test-things-as-we-go-along draft format.

So are we cracking on - the show must go on and all that?
 
antohan said:
I was planning something along those lines but not as extreme as outright bans. The issue aren't only those, you can't allow more recent players either and participation suffers, but that's the only way you can pick someone like Lerby (monster of a player that he was). I loved having him in the 50s one but don't think he has ever been picked since. Much easier to go with a household name.

The upside with less participation is you can also try different approaches. I was probably unfair saying the tactical aspects were considered more, it was just that so few were interested that those that were would be the sort that would really get stuck into it.

I still love my final setup, probably one of the setups I most like from all drafts I've been involved in. It quite simply worked IMO and at the very least I would have liked seeing it play out!

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I love that side. Never understood why not more managers uses players in this Boniek role. SAF often did it with Ronaldo when he was here, allowing him to start in a striker position but in reality he pulled wide more often than not. Instead of pulling down like a false-9 these runs will drag the LCB out towards the left which opens up a lot of space centrally.

Probably my favorite SAF/Antohan move ever. One capable winger can make up the width on both sides allowing you to play the likes of Tevez/Rooney who can't provide much width but rather drifts inside as quickly as possible.
 
MJJ stop sleeping then, you are killing this draft. :lol: Anyhow, Theon or someone else will take over the team and we'll continue the draft.
 
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