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Polaroid said:
Putting aside the fact that gandalf does not have to face a fine, would like to hear the reasons y you think it should be allowed
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Going over budges shouldnt be allowed, it isnt practical in a draft. I don't wanna sound like a know it all but like I said I've played it before and there's no way to punish one without wrecking his team which renders the rest of the draft unbalanced. It really isn't tough to stay in budget, most of us did after agreeing to the gentlemen's agreement and any time one went over it was promptly noticed so policing it is hardly a problem either.

It's the easiest way. I know it's not real and in a real auction you can bid without showing the money first but if you fail to pay you get punished but the issue with punishment here is you are effectively eliminating one team before the tournament which is not good for the draft in the bigger picture.
 
antohan said:
So weeks after I made those "outrageous inflationary bids" which all got raised by over 50% on average, you still haven't worked out how to deal with it. :rolleyes:
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? As long as it doesn't get to the fine, it's all good. No one ever denied that. The fact, that we discuss a silly offer like getting rid of useless squad players instead of paying the fine and ending up with a negative budget, shows that the fine as a punishment isn't really the solution, don't you think?
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
People who have a spare LB/RB who will not be used. Would you be willing for a even swap with a unused player of mine?
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You make them players sound like 2nd hand cars. Does it affect their value if they played in the first round? I assume you mean Adriano, fresh and ready to go.
 
Aldo said:
Going over budges shouldnt be allowed, it isnt practical in a draft. I don't wanna sound like a know it all but like I said I've played it before and there's no way to punish one without wrecking his team which renders the rest of the draft unbalanced. It really isn't tough to stay in budget, most of us did after agreeing to the gentlemen's agreement and any time one went over it was promptly noticed so policing it is hardly a problem either.

It's the easiest way. I know it's not real and in a real auction you can bid without showing the money first but if you fail to pay you get punished but the issue with punishment here is you are effectively eliminating one team before the tournament which is not good for the draft in the bigger picture.
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This! I don't think it takes any excitement away either. I screwed with others, pushed others into overpaying, was pushed into overpaying, fecked up, made brilliant deals, all without getting over the budget once.
 
Yup. Imagine making a bid for a house at an auction 10.000 above your budget, then they not only cancel the bid/make you a fine but they sell your old house and kick your family on the streets then use that money to pay it.

Just a bit extreme of a punishment even for such a silly and easily avoidable mistake. People will make mistakes, always, no matter how easy it is to avoid it.
 
Cutch said:
Balu's team is fantastic. So many links in there too. Parma, Juventus, France, Argentina, Lazio. Awesome
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Thanks :).

antohan said:
Beauty, and Nedved for 31M is absolutely fine, you disn't expect it to be much cheaper, did you?
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You have no idea how long I had to negotiate with MJJ for that Nedved deal :lol:. If I had bid on Figo instead of Giggs, I'm sure it would have been way easier and cheaper. MJJ agreed to a straight swap Figo for Nedved from the start. Of course I never expected to get all four players, so overall I'm totally happy how it all turned out.
 
Balu said:
:lol:

Crappy really needs to buy some players soon, he seems a bit angry at the moment. And I still don't know why I'm a twat :(.
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I assume the idea was he would give Edgalf 20m for Carlos and everything would be sorted. The moment you mentioned being interested there he we and raised Edgalf to lev you out of the eqution, csting him a few million in the process.

Crappy only has himself to blame, acting like a loose cannon whenever he needs to stay calm.

You dodged a bullet as well, Abidal suits you better than Carlos. You only want Carlos while keeping Abidal, surely.
 
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antohan said:
You dodged a bullet as well, Abidal suits you better than Carlos. You only want Carlos while keeping Abidal, surely.
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Of course, never would have made that deal :lol:. Thought it was worth mentioning though.
 
Polaroid said:
I have my own view on this
But before I reply, I would like to hear everyone's thoughts on it
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Farcical, it's like selling dead wood for 10m when many are struggling to get 5m for far better players, e.g. See Annah offering 2m for Overmars
 
Balu said:
? As long as it doesn't get to the fine, it's all good. No one ever denied that. The fact, that we discuss a silly offer like getting rid of useless squad players instead of paying the fine and ending up with a negative budget, shows that the fine as a punishment isn't really the solution, don't you think?
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I think it was clear enough it wasn't going to be allowed full stop. Everyone noticed it straight away so the whole "keeping an eye on budgets is difficult" angle is bollocks.
 
I think both Annahnomoss and MJJ missed what I was driving at
It is not whether the fine should be administered but the fundamental principle of how currency in this game is administered - Gandalf's argument is nobody defined what 30m is, so instead of going through the market, managers can unilaterally substitute 3 players for 30m. It is like: I won the messi auction for 30m, nobody mentioned how to pay 30m so I gave up 3 players of my choice as 30 m worth players to pay for Messi. Do you all see what that means?
 
Thankful this the last draft I m running, we should close this quickly, all teams should put in their nominations(with bids or otherwise) by noon tomorrow, as per previous round we go by when the nomination comes in not the bid, bids on nominations that come in before then start at 10m, nominations that come in after then have base bids starting at 15
 
antohan said:
So the logical thing to do is go bid on Giggs and Del Piero.

:lol:
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Yeah, it wasn't my brightest moment :lol:. I only bid on del Piero once I realised that I actually get Davids for 20m. Then I wanted del Piero much more than Giggs. Didn't expect to get Giggs for 17m at all and then struggled to get rid of him. fecking embarrassing that no one wanted Giggs on a United forum, you all should be ashamed.
 
Polaroid said:
I think both Annahnomoss and MJJ missed what I was driving at
It is not whether the fine should be administered but the fundamental principle of how currency in this game is administered - Gandalf's argument is nobody defined what 30m is, so instead of going through the market, managers can unilaterally substitute 3 players for 30m. It is like: I won the messi auction for 30m, nobody mentioned how to pay 30m so I gave up 3 players of my choice as 30 m worth players to pay for Messi. Do you all see what that means?
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Hmm that's a valid loophole but if you compare it to a real life scenario, there's a group/party that possesses the goods you buy via an auction, here there's nothing. For example, if I buy a phone that costs 500 euros but cannot pay, I can offer the person who possessed the phone a lot of things I have that together value up to the same amount but he has to agree to it as well. Here no one possessed the player before it was auctioned so I am not sure if you can return something for the same value you bought.

That is technically speaking, overall as anto said it is an unfair means to recover funds else we all will happily give up players we don't plan on using. For example I got Makelele for 32, I will happily sell him for 10 right now but if this method is allowed why wouldn't I just give him up if it means getting all 32 back.
 
Finally, FINALLY, I get a player I can sink my balls into and love forever and ever. Pupi! :)

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Polaroid said:
I think both Annahnomoss and MJJ missed what I was driving at
It is not whether the fine should be administered but the fundamental principle of how currency in this game is administered - Gandalf's argument is nobody defined what 30m is, so instead of going through the market, managers can unilaterally substitute 3 players for 30m. It is like: I won the messi auction for 30m, nobody mentioned how to pay 30m so I gave up 3 players of my choice as 30 m worth players to pay for Messi. Do you all see what that means?
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Yeah thats wrong. I think it should only be for the players you bid for in the same round.

And I think you have done a great job so far given the circumstances.
 
Forwards
RVN - Open to bids
Raul - Open to bids
Kaka - Open to bids
Figo - 18m - Pol - 18.26

Midfielders
Gerrard - Open to bids
Gattuso - 10m - Aldo - 23.17

Defenders
R Carlos 24m Crappy 17.50
Sol Campbell - 10m- Crappy - 18.55
 
Updated player list:

Keane (MJJ), Pirlo (Aldo), Martinez (crappy), T. Silva (Edgalf) added to the list

Annahmoss - 11 players Ronaldo(BRA) 59M Xavi 66M, Busquets 54M, Iniesta 89M (from paceme), Neymar 12m(from GG) D.Silva 18m, Valdes(Dida>Edgar) 10m, Dante 10M , Boateng 10m, Lewandowski 10M, Zabaleta 10M(Sold for 20mill to Kps88), Ramos(10 mill from EAP, 4 mill goes Aldo forEAP's dept to Aldo) Capdevila 10M, Ronaldo 59m= 2M

paceme - 12 players Iniesta (70=>89M), Robben 30M, Messi (115m), Gammara (20m), Jeremies (14m), Ljungberg 20m >>>Pedro, Scholl 22m, Samuel 22m, Lopez 10m, ivanovic 14m, Schweinsteiger 40m, Pessotto 10m, Lahm 20m, Evra 10m, Stam 17m, Cocu 5m = 0m

MJJ - 11 players Giggs (Nedved (60m) -14m), Sagna (10m) Ronaldo(102m) DDG(10m) Shearer(25m), Varane 10m, Felipe Luis 10m, Emerson 12m, Rooney 34m,Marquez 14m, Fabregas 12m, Cole 10m, Nesta 25m, Keane = 0m

Crappy - 11 players Ronaldinho (70m), Scholes(55m), P.Montero(27m), D.Alves(32m), Peruzzi (10m), Ribery(40m), Sorin(12m), Van Persie(10m), De Rossi(22m), Helguera(11m) Naybet 10M, Martinez (10m) = 41m

Aldo - 11 players Rio Ferdinand 48m, Hazard 10m, Puyol 24m, Courtois 10m, Henry 55m, Makelele 32m, Rui Costa (34M-->30M to VivaJ), Vieira 53m, [Eto'o + (6m + 4m) = (Kaka 33m sales to Edgar), Kroos 10m, Sergi 12M, Ferrer 12M Rui Costa 10m, Pirlo (16m) Zanetti 18m = 13m

Balu - 11 players Verón (31m), Neuer (15m), Abidal (Keane (65m) - 35m), Sagnol (28m), Crespo (17m), Simeone (22m), Cannavaro (45m), Cocu (18m-5m (sold to paceme)), Overmars (15m) C. López 10M Materazzi 14M, Davids 20m, Thuram 33m, Nedved (Giggs 17m+14m), del Piero 12m = 14 m

Edgalf - 13 players Casillas 19m, Vidic 43m, Adriano 19m, Cambiasso 29M, Ballack 39M, Zidane 71m, Cavani 10m, Zlatan 15m, (Neymar-10->12m), Baines 10m, Valencia 10m, Hummels 12m, Rafinha 10m, Carrick 10m, Deco 10m, Zambrotta 10m, T. Silva (14m) = 21m

Pol/Theon - 11 players Lucio (26m), Marcelo (21m) Cafú (52m) Rivaldo (69m), Lloris (10m) Modric (18m) Gallas (12m) Vidal (25m), Shevchenko (31) Muller (20m) Maschherano (10m) = 56m
 
Of course I get it! Both the idea of donating money to him and the idea that he can sell 3 players he doesn't want for 30m is ridiculous and can't be official rules.

The error just didn't benefit Edgar and Gandalf at all though so it was clearly a mistake on their part. I think Gandalf made the bids and it was some communication problem between them. So the punishment for me is just out of line versus the crime committed here. So I am happy to let him off the hook and help him out any way I can even if it means giving him an advantage in the end if it is the only way.

Best is of course to just make it invalid, warn him as it was such a clear mistake and that is it. This is the reason I said it'd be better to handle these stuff as we go as every situation is so different.

One thing is trying to inflate prices on others players with money you don't have and such, which should be punished much more harsh than the situation we are in now.
 
Theon said:
:lol: Not surprised man, its been an absolute bastard to run this one. You've done a good job though.
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Yeah Polaroid has had to make an awful lot of challenging decisions and we are still here enjoying it so he has done his job.
 
Have been following this draft for some time.

Think @Aldo made a smart purchase in Zanetti. Would give some much needed width to his christmas tree/diamond formation. Would be interesting to see how everyone completes their team.
 
There's no reason you should blame yourself at all, Pol! It's been great and to have the courage to try this format out knowing how challenging it is deserves respect! :)
 
Sammer's Hammer said:
Have been following this draft for some time.

Think @Aldo made a smart purchase in Zanetti. Would give some much needed width to his christmas tree/diamond formation. Would be interesting to see how everyone completes their team.
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Indeed! Remember you from the newbies!
 
antohan said:
One of the gayest posts I've seen on here. I don't think Pupi signed up for that either.
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It's love anto, true love. The draft was drab for me so far without such a player in my team which is why I went for Fenomeno, then Keano and finally Pupi, all players who have contributed loads to my wet dreams. :drool:
 
Balu said:
What deal did you make with crappy?
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There is no deal as such anymore. At that time I offered them to outbid Carlos if they paid me 4m for Sorin.

But I outbid them anyway before they had decided one way or another but Edgar wants to honor the deal.
 
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