Transfer Muppet Fantasy

Polaroid said:
In total, players c snd d returned to pool snd 60m fine
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How would he pay that fine though? He would just get those first two players, then be on -60M but what would the impact of being in negative funds actually be?

Maybe you have to be in positive money to progress to the matches, for example.
 
Annahnomoss said:
Which defensive style will you use? I liked your side with Pedro on the LW as it meant Robben and Messi pressing in the same style. With Scholl out there it feels more like Robben and Messi are wasted in a style of defending they aren't suited for or Scholl is in a high press he never played in.

Robben and Messi are both much better in a defense that relies on the press, as they otherwise become lazy.

The same way Kagawa is outstanding in a high press defense, but in a defense without the press he is far from a defensive giant.
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Its simply pressing from the front. Scholl is the only player out of the whole front 5 who is not a traditional pressing player but he is so many leagues above pedro that it would be mental to leave him out for pedro. Kagawa isn't really a good example since he's only really proved himself in one system where as scholl played in a versatile bayern team for years that had the ability to play in different styles.
 
Polaroid said:
I should be more specific in addressing this as it may mislead people into thinking all the players bidded for go back into the pool. This is is not the case, as said-only bids thst the team cannot pay for, the players go back into the pools

35m in bank
Player a signs first for 16m leaving 19m in bank
Player b signs for 16m leaving 3m in bank
Player c is supposed to sign for 14m but there is no cash - player c returns to pool and 30m fine for team
Plsyer d is supposed to sign for 22m , again no cash - player d is returned to pool and 30 m fine again
In total, players c snd d returned to pool snd 60m fine
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So he'd buy 2 players and ends up with a negative budget of -57m ? Which means if he goes through and gets another 50m, he starts the next auction round with -7m and needs to sell players first before he can buy someone?
 
Balu said:
I don't think you need a high press, when you have Jeremies kicking the shit out of the opposing creative players and Cocu and Schweinsteiger doing the rest of the work in midfield. Let those 3 attackers have fun upfront. Robben and Messi are deadly on the counter, it's not that easy for the defenders to move forward and Scholl does his fair share of tracking back. Lahm + Robben on the right were brilliant together before Bayern started to play pressing.


I like it a lot. Told you before the last game, that I'd add another CM and play Scholl on the left wing, because Messi adds everything Scholl brings to the team in the central area anyway.
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I don't think he needs to go either way. Was more a question of which choice he wanted to make in the end. Hard to judge a team without knowing something that important IMO, changes his entire style.

I wouldn't even call it bad if he wanted Robben and Messi to press higher up to form almost a 4-4-2 in the defense where Messi and Robben runs a lot to participate in the defensive work
 
paceme said:
Its simply pressing from the front. Scholl is the only player out of the whole front 5 who is not a traditional pressing player but he is so many leagues above pedro that it would be mental to leave him out for pedro. Kagawa isn't really a good example since he's only really proved himself in one system where as scholl played in a versatile bayern team for years that had the ability to play in different styles.
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Alright, so the front-5 are all involved in a pressing game?
 
Annahnomoss said:
Alright, so the front-5 are all involved in a pressing game?
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Depends what you mean by pressing game? I'm not interested in this new obsession with systems based around pressing since they are primarily there because there aren't any top defenders around these days, however most of the attack in my team have always been players who hound after the ball anyway.
 
Theon said:
How would he pay that fine though? He would just get those first two players, then be on -60M but what would the impact of being in negative funds actually be?

Maybe you have to be in positive money to progress to the matches, for example.
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Balu said:
So he'd buy 2 players and ends up with a negative budget of -57m ? Which means if he goes through and gets another 50m, he starts the next auction round with -7m and needs to sell players first before he can buy someone?
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No chance of negative budget, who covers the deficit?
It defeats the purpose and theme of this game itself if teams dont have to balance their budget
Same goes for the purpose of the fine for teams who spend beyond their means in outbidding everybody else
 
Polaroid said:
No chance of negative budget, who covers the deficit?
It defeats the purpose and theme of this game itself if teams dont have to balance their budget
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Of course mate, completely agree. I was meaning it in the same way, that you have to balance your budget and if not there is some sort of penalty e.g you can't progress.
 
The fine was originally 10m by the way until crappy insisted on it being raised to 30 as he felt it wasnt a strong enough deterrent for teams who bid beyond their budget
 
Can I give EAP 2 mill? I'd happily do it if it is legal and somebody else wants to chunk in with the other 15 mill to allow him to continue playing without a huge disadvantage. Of course not until we have the 17 all arranged!

Ahh he has -17 now if he wins all bids he has?

35 mill left. Bids: 16+14+22=52 So 17 left if that isn't wrong.
 
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Annahnomoss said:
Can I give EAP 2 mill? I'd happily do it if it is legal and somebody else wants to chunk in with the other 5 mill to allow him to continue playing without a huge disadvantage. Of course not until we have the 7 all arranged!

Ahh he has -17 now if he wins all bids he has?

35 mill left. Bids: 16+14+22=52 So 17 left if that isn't wrong.
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You can buy a player of his for 2m as long as both parties agree
 
I still don't get how the fine works. It will always push him into a negative budget, but if that isn't allowed and no one buys one of his players, he's basically disqualified for making a mistake and it ruins the game. It's much more complicated than just calling the bids invalid the moment they exceed the budget, which would have no influence on the draft at all and protect the game itself.
 
Balu said:
I still don't get how the fine works. It will always push him into a negative budget, but if that isn't allowed and no one buys one of his players, he's basically disqualified for making a mistake and it ruins the game. It's much more complicated than just calling the bids invalid the moment they exceed the budget, which would have no influence on the draft at all and protect the game itself.
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I don't think in practise it matter really, the point is that he needs to sell before going over budget. Someone would always buy one of his players.
 
Theon said:
I don't think in practise it matter really, the point is that he needs to sell before going over budget. Someone would always buy one of his players.
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Not so sure it's that easy to sell players at this point, few managers have enough money left to save his ass and they would need to be interested in one of his players for a huge amount of money.
 
Balu said:
I still don't get how the fine works. It will always push him into a negative budget, but if that isn't allowed and no one buys one of his players, he's basically disqualified for making a mistake and it ruins the game. It's much more complicated than just calling the bids invalid the moment they exceed the budget, which would have no influence on the draft at all and protect the game itself.
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The options are 1. Someone monitors every manager's players, bids and budget and how it changes everytime the managers make bids which is basically 24/7 round the clock or option 2. We let the managers monitor their own budget and we only check when the deal is to be sealed

The team has to raise funds to balance the budget, it is a consequence of conscious decisions and actions. Crappy wanted a big enough punishment to deter people from overspending, people will no doubt learn from this, if they cant be responsible for their own budget, nobody else will

The fine can be averted altogether by raising funds to balance the budget
 
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Yeah, I know all that Pol, it wasn't meant as a criticism towards you. Let's wait which brilliant plan Gandalf has in his mind to get out of this mess.
 
Polaroid said:
The options are 1. Someone monitors every manager's players, bids and budget and how it changes everytime the managers make bids which is basically 24/7 round the clock or option 2. We let the managers monitor their own budget and we only check when the deal is to be sealed

The team has to raise funds to balance the budget, it is a consequence of conscious decisions and actions. Crappy wanted a big enough punishment to deter people from overspending, people will no doubt learn from this, if they cant be responsible for their own budget, nobody else will

The fine can be averted altogether by raising funds to balance the budget
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That is correct.

That way you have it though won't work. All 3 of his bides expire at the same time-

16m + 14m + 22m = 52m

When he has 35m in the bank. Ideally he should lose all 3 of those players and has his budget reduced to 5m.
 
Forwards
RVN - Open to bids
Raul - Open to bids
Kaka - Open to bids
Figo - 16m - Edgalf - 06.40

Midfielders

Pirlo - 16m - Aldo - 18.20
R.Keane- 30m-MJJ-08:32
Martinez - 10m - Crappy - 08.46
Gerrard - Open to bids


Defenders
T Silva 14m - Edgalf - 06.40
R Carlos 22m Edgalf 06.40
Zanetti-18m-Aldo - 11.11
 
Annahnomoss said:
If his plan doesn't go through I hope we can all chip in to not ruin the draft.
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What's the point of all the rules then? May be I should sell someone Dinho for 5m as well, legal but not right.

If people are planing to bail out someone by handing free money over then there is no point to this draft. It also effectively means that one teams gets more money than any other.

He can start selling players now to generate funds, that would be the proper way to do it. I have already offered him a deal for Carlos for example
 
Giving him money for free sucks, I agree with crappy there. I'm also thinking about selling Abidal and bidding for Carlos. Anyone interested in Abidal? I would listen to offers.
 
He offered me Ballack once Keane was bid by someone else and at that point I was thinking about buying him for 13, but then I went with a different strategy. It won't save me money but there's no point in spending 13 right now on someone who I don't need, else I would have helped him, like VivaJ and Edgar helped me when I was out of money. If someone needs one of his players it would be great if they can give him the required money if they can afford it. The least I could do was free him from one of his bids.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
The deal with crappy is close to being complete and that will solve all this. Apologies for the insane confusion!

And fwiw, thanks for the offer anyways. If worst comes worst, the true secret that Baines > Carlos will be debated in the thread!
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I'm really sorry, and in case it comes to a point of you really needing cash, just let me know and I'll take Ballack from you. It won't fit in my plan as well as the option I have in mind but it would be fine so just let me know.
 
Forwards
RVN - Open to bids
Raul - Open to bids
Kaka - Open to bids
Figo - 16m - Edgalf - 06.40

Midfielders

Pirlo - 16m - Aldo - 18.20
R.Keane- 30m-MJJ-08:32
Martinez - 10m - Crappy - 08.46
Gerrard - Open to bids


Defenders
T Silva 14m - Edgalf - 06.40
Zanetti-18m-Aldo - 11.11
R Carlos 24m Crappy 17.50

@Edgar Allan Pillow
 
Forwards
RVN - Open to bids
Raul - Open to bids
Kaka - Open to bids
Figo - 18m - Pol - 18.26

Midfielders

R.Keane- 30m-MJJ-08:32
Martinez - 10m - Crappy - 08.46
Gerrard - Open to bids


Defenders
T Silva 14m - Edgalf - 06.40
Zanetti-18m-Aldo - 11.11
R Carlos 24m Crappy 17.50

@Edgar Allan Pillow Figo
 
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