Never heard of him. Does he play for us?
Tosic - Gone. To CSKA
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Stay.
Stay.
It's hard to answer "Stay or Go?" really given we haven't had the opportunity to see what he's capable off.
I hope he stays and is given a chance, that might be different come January though.
I hope he stays and is given a chance, that might be different come January though.
I really don't care either way.
My gut tells me he's not gotten the chances because he's not good enough. Even if he is a better player than he's being given credit for, I don't think he has any more potential than Obertan, and he looks more physically suited to this league, so it may be in his interests to go.
My gut tells me he's not gotten the chances because he's not good enough. Even if he is a better player than he's being given credit for, I don't think he has any more potential than Obertan, and he looks more physically suited to this league, so it may be in his interests to go.
What information could you possibly have that backs up this comment? The fact Cleverley has had a good season on the Championship whereas Tosic has only had a good season in the top flight of German Football?
Does. Not. Compute.
In any case, Cleverly has played best centrally while Tosic plays LW. The two can't be compared.
It is a bit of an extreme statement but bearing in mind how Tosic was no great shakes for our reserves - a standard of football which Cleverley has been too good for since last season - it's not that big a stretch to think he's the better player of the two.
If I was forced to choose between the two (which I'm not) it would be Cleverly every time for me.
Go. Easily, go
I don't think Cleverley is a winger, a lot of youngsters learn thier trade out wide before they are trusted centrally.
But he hasn't even played that many games at youth or reserve level in the middle which indicates that they see him as a wide player. It's different when they step up to the first team, which is where your comment has some merit.
Actually, a lad in work told me a Tosic story that I'll share with you lot on this boring Friday evening.
He was over at a home game before Christmas, and the morning after the game, he went down to the car park of the apartment block his brother lives in. As he was getting towards his brother's car, he met Tosic, who was on the way to his Audi something or other. He said 'Alright Zoran, you starting at the weekend?' to which Tosic gave him a hurt look and kept walking.
Now it's not a classic anecdote by any stretch, and I don't even know if Tosic's English is good enough to have understood the joke, but it's all I have.
He was over at a home game before Christmas, and the morning after the game, he went down to the car park of the apartment block his brother lives in. As he was getting towards his brother's car, he met Tosic, who was on the way to his Audi something or other. He said 'Alright Zoran, you starting at the weekend?' to which Tosic gave him a hurt look and kept walking.
Now it's not a classic anecdote by any stretch, and I don't even know if Tosic's English is good enough to have understood the joke, but it's all I have.
His English is very good.
ffs, taking the piss on tozza. a bit harsh by the lad yeah? unless the lad doesn't support united.
Tozza?
You think that's harsh? I'm sure he's heard an awful lot worse in the dressing room.
And, as Brad said, 'Tozza'?
VozzaWozza is a bit of a tossa.
Thinking Cleverley is the better player is fine, i've nothing wrong with that at all. But to states Cleverley is twice as good is just silly. I wouldnt mind betting the person that said it doesnt watch reserve team football either and is basing this information on, well, nothing.
Is reserve football better than the Bundesliga?
No. But his point was Cleverley has excelled and stood out at reserve level whereas Tosic hasn't.
Like to see how he's developed first.
And now Cleverley has also stood out at Championship level while Tosic has done the same in the Bundesliga. I'm willing to accept a claim that the style in Germany may suit him more, or that success in Germany doesn't make you good enough for the top of the PL (Voronin, anyone?), but he has done well at a good league. A better league than the English second tier.
Nice post. You really made me feel silly with your beautifully constructed arguement.
It's a throwaway comment, an Idiom if you like. Of course i don't think he's half as goof as Cleverley but I do think Cleverley is the better player. Tosic is 5ft 7 1/2. To put that into context he still has to use half measurements that most people stop using when they are 9 1/2 years old. He just does not have the physical attributes for the Premier League.
Compare him to other similar built players in the Premier League and you have Aaron Lennon who is one of the quickest players in the league and you have Luka Modric who is perhaps the most comparable to Tosic as a short, lightweight technical player but is leagues and leagues ahead of him in terms of ability.
You lot can cry and whinge all day long about how much potential a young player like this has, most of you look at a few youtube clips and some may watch a few reserve games but I can garentuee you that the United coaching team that includes Sir Ferguson himself has seen a hell of a lot more of him and know much more than any of us wether he is worth a run in the First Team. The fact he is at Koln and on his way out says it all.
Brilliant, just brilliant
Again, well done for your impressive argument.
Finally someone who actually gets it. Cleverley was way ahead of the reserves last season and he prooved what he was capable of for Watford, slipping in seamlessley to their midfield scoring 11 league goals along the way. He's got the versatility required for the United first team and he's got enough pace and tenacity as well as an eye for goal to make an impression in the first team.
I'm not saying Cleverley will definately make it but he's a much sounder bet than Tosic.
I'm not even pressing play on that. feck knows what you are trying to achieve.
So fecking what? What about Fabregas? Or Arshavin? Or a young Michael Owen? You telling me Messi would not cut it in the Premier League if he came here? If a player is talented enough height should not be an issue. I do think Tosic is talented, as evidenced by his performances in the Bundesliga and the Serbian national team. You cannot put Cleverly in the same brackets as him when Cleverly has yet to prove it at a good level.
Glad you mentioned Voronin. Nuff said really.
Have you even watched him for the Serbian national team?
You know he barely even featured in their WC qualification campaign?
At the end of the day he's a young player. He's younger then Gibson to put it into perspective. He's technically very good and he's a United player. Clearly we should support the lad. It's not easy for him. We're talking about a player we wanted to play for United, like everyone of us.....
But if he gets what...3 games on the spin next season and does well...you'll see people changing their minds quickly. Ask the german fans if they don't think he's good. All we can hope is that he gets given a chance to show people what he can do
But if he gets what...3 games on the spin next season and does well...you'll see people changing their minds quickly. Ask the german fans if they don't think he's good. All we can hope is that he gets given a chance to show people what he can do
I've watched him an awful lot ever since he's joined united, from the U21 championships last summer to the reserves and to his own national team and I'm convinced he would be a very useful fringe player to have on our books. He's extremely hard working along with being a talented winger and dead ball specialist.
The problem is that he is not as technically good as he is made out to be. He's got a good cross and is good at set peices but in actual games he doesn't afford himself time often enough to actually make it count. The fact he is excelling in Germany is no surprise, physically it might be a match for the Premier League but the intensity isn't nearly as high.
If he was in a United shirt playing for the team I'd support him of course but right now I'm being realistic and assessing his ability from what I have seen of him. He's not going to make it here and he's going to have a very average career. I'm certain of it.
We haven't really seen much of this lad. Perhaps we ought to watch him in the WC matches and then give an opinion.
Judging by his lack of game time in the qualifiers, we probably won't get to see him that often in the World Cup itself.
How can you say this if you have watched him play? His movement off-the ball and quick passing is very good. So what more do you want from him from a technical point of view?
No surprise? I thought that he was not able to cut it physically at all? If he can handle the physicality in Bundesliga it wouldn't be beyond him to adapt to the PL, don't you think? I mean Modric is the prime example, same size yet can handle the league and both of them have come from leagues where they would have been hacked to pieces. I don't buy this argument at all.
That's your opinion and you are entitled to it but some of the things you have said in this thread are confusing and lead me to believe you have barely watched him play at all. Half the player of Cleverley? GTFO.
He won't start but he will feature in the games.
Exactly, I don't see where the comparison from the reserves can be drawn. You really think you will see the best of Tosic in the reserves? No way, as I have said before this is probably to his detriment but Tosic has also produced the goods on a NT level has Cleverley?
If you are going to compare them you have to compare them at their highest level, one has done well in the Championship, the other has done well in the Bundesliga.
Roque Santa Cruz:
Bayern Munich: 155 games: 31 goals
Blackburn Rovers: 57 games 23 goals.
Nuff said really
Tosic is doing a fantastic job in Serbia NT at the moment so Fergie should take a closer look of his performances before deciding what to do with him