Annoying? Well you put it mildly.
Top 4 race 2016/17
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Annoying? Well you put it mildly.
I certainly hope so too. We've burnt our fingers before due to this and hence will be in our memory for ever. It's one of the things like we don't care until it happens.
Think United have a chance now.
We really need to win tonight . Our last quarter of the season looks piss easy but we simply cannot be trusted.
Burnley , Bouremouth and West Ham. Say no more.
Still too early to call the league but Chelsea are winning 1 - 0 a lot and thats the sign of Champions.
If we couldn't beat WBA at home we should just retire, tbf.
This is a Utd forum, if you don't like it, or get wound up about peoples opinions on Spurs then why bother getting involved?
Depends on which type of game plan Pulis decides on it'll either be an easy Arsenal win or a very frustrating encounter like when we played them last week.
What a bizarre thing to say.
Firstly if we achieve 4 more points than Spurs throughout the rest of the season we're guaranteed to finish above Spurs. If we achieve 3 more points that Spurs throughout the rest of the season there's a decent chance we finish above Spurs. Secondly even if goal difference did count as an extra point (rather than merely a tie breaker), the games where I'd expect Spurs to have a potentially large negative goal difference, such as Liverpool & City away, are still to play. Likewise look at the games that Spurs have increased their goal difference by the majority of the current 10 goal deficit: Swansea & Hull at home. These are both games United still have to play.
Essentially the goal difference not only does not count as another point as you imply, but your "lead" in that sense is totally surmountable. Especially when arguably 7 the weakest 8 teams in the League still have to come to Old Trafford (4 of which coincidentally Spurs have racked up the same positive goal difference of +10 that they are ahead of United).
The way Kane has been playing they would probably be 8th !
They probably just took pointers from whatever Lampard used to do.
Did he ever miss a single minute of a game during his peak at Chelsea?
Have vague memories of him setting the record for consecutive appearances in the prem for an outfield player around Jose's first stint, but after that he missed a couple of games per season. But yea, the spines of our teams have always seemed to be relatively free from injuries for some reason.
Of course, not denying it's gonna tight, especially after this week, but we usually do well against these type of teams.
If you gain 3 points on us in the next round of matches you'll still be behind us in the table, which means the gap isn't just 3 points, it's 3 points and a GD of +10 ... which effectively makes it 4 points -i.e. you currently need to gain 4 points on us to overtake us in the table.
GD can't be just wished away - it plays a part in the league table.
Gd is worthless in December buddy. You also can't just wish an extra point from it.
You lose 2-0 to Southampton and we cruise to a routine 3-0 win at home v a poor Sunderland and it's cut in half during one weekend.
Worthless.
What is the value of "looking good" when Spurs, as I've pointed out have 4 more points more at this stage of the season than we did at the same stage last season? Wouldn't you take getting points on the board over looking good?
And what does "looking good" actually mean? I'd say our defence - for example - has looked pretty good. It's gone a bit rocky during Alderweireld's absence, but now he's back I see no reason why our good defensive record won't continue. And if you concede few goals, you'll always have a good chance to win a fair few games.
I can agree that we need to score more - even though we've scored 5 more than United - and show more creativity up front, but that may come. IMO we've missed having Lamela available a lot - last season he scored 5 goals and made 9 assists in the league, with 11 goals in all competitions.
I agree that it's the final league table that counts, but right now Spurs, as I've said, are effectively 4 points ahead of United because of GD. Your disputing this is just silly.
Its only 3 points. When we play Swansea / Hull / Sunderland and Palace at home like Spurs already have, then we can talk about goal difference.
I've countered the "Spurs have regressed" narrative with some actual facts about points on the board at this stage of the season compared to the same stage last time around.
It's a valid response which, IMO, contributes to the discussion. Or are mere perceptions of how "good" a team looks to hold sway over the actual results they get?
You left some comment about Utd fans getting worked up etc, my point is this is a Utd forum, what do you expect? Also RE some of our posters over hyping our players, again we are fans of our club, I suspect some of your fans do the same on your forums. I don't look at them so to be honest I don't care.
I will say people talking about upcoming games, who is left to play and where is irrelevent. Matches aren't won on paper, clubs get injuries, suspensions, go in and out of form. Playing Sunderland now is better than playing them in April when they will no doubt be desperate for points (see our painful defeat to Wigan a few seasons ago, who were eventually relegated).
I would rather play City now than when we played them, but you could argue would caught teams like Everton at a good time when they were struggling. At the end of the season you end up where you deserve.
Utd's form against equivalent teams from last season is a bit strange. This season Utd beat all four of the teams they lost to in the same fixtures last year. By contrast last years united got 5 points against the teams they lost to this time round and collected 18 points from games against teams this years united have only managed to amass 6 against. Even so Utd have three more points this time round and have a +2 goal difference
Spurs' results are almost identical. They come out 1 point ahead but with an inferior goal difference of -4.
Doesn't seem like either team has regressed other than Spurs scoring significantly fewer goals.
Spurs' results are almost identical. They come out 1 point ahead but with an inferior goal difference of -4.
Doesn't seem like either team has regressed other than Spurs scoring significantly fewer goals.
Some of you guys give way too much time to Glaston.
this.. always best ignored
Just keep winning and one of them will soon fall back into our laps soon enough, Spurs are an irrelevance.
Ok, everyone can finish 2nd or 6th at the same time, even Liverpool. Not impressed by them today.
If we can beat Stoke at home next week we're in a good place going into the City game so I'm feeling like we're looking good for top four at the moment.
A poor week in the end. Everyone apart from Arsenal won which shows what we're up against. Chelsea and Liverpool won't be caught.
Ridiculous comment I'm sorry. We are 7 points behind Liverpool with 21 games to go.....21!!! It's all to play for and if we keep playing the way we are I expect us to run them very close.
Can't be a poor week if we've reduced the gap to 4 points...
Liverpool still have to play City (though it is at Anfield), but also we play them shortly at Old Trafford. If both results go our way, and we do our part in between we can actually close the gap on them significantly.
Results elsewhere went as bad as they could have. At least we won our game.
Yeah the rest did, but as long as we keep winning our games I think we will get inside the top 4 with due course. We're not in the situation yet where we have to constantly stress over our rivals, as long as we are winning our own games.
Doubt it personally, for the team you have you're playing/getting results well above yourselves, but if you do end up getting it then Klopp truly is a genius, and I'll doff my hat to him.
Long road ahead, but I have to says you guys are the ones I'm pinning my hopes on us catching.
Has there ever been a better collection of teams at this stage of the season? Apart from maybe United none of Liverpool, Arsenal, City or Tottenham are actually having poor seasons. Chelsea averaging 2.5 PPG just makes it seem that way.
Digging a win out in an intense local derby where quality takes a back seat to passion. Probably Liverpool's best win of the season and the result that suggests strong character. It's these wins that count. Really count.
The real question is does Mourinho have the bottle to try to take three points against us? Those three points will actually be worth 6 points if so. Another bore draw will basically mean you've effectively dropped 4 points against us. Just imagine if Mourinho had had more courage when he came to Anfield. Take those points and be 1 behind us or maybe even ahead of us by now.
The PL is all about bottle and Ferguson had it in spades. He who dared, won.
Seeing how we played against Arsenal and Spurs at home, I don't have any worries on that score...
Nice try - "Balls" is not about exposing yourself in a high intensity away match. We almost got all 3 points means he was spot on with the tactics.
The results went as expected really.
One header from Ibrahimovic does not constitute 'almost winning the match'. In that case he who didn't dare...now sits 7 points behind scratching his head.
Honestly, Ferguon will be turning in his bedsheets with that sort of ambition.
Seeing how this is a different Liverpool I see no reason why Jose wouldn't?
Maybe klopp might have an answer for Jose this time, you never know
Moirinho showed some balls with that 2-0 win to stop them winning the league.
