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Alright alright you naysayers have had your fun. 25m is the correct price for a player of Kroos ability in the last year of his contract.

The thing people tend to forget is that Kroos is young and that at the end of it all Bayern are a business just like any other club, there are chairmen, presidents and shareholders. It would be a bloody disgrace to them if a player of Kroos ability was lost on a free, I'd certainly hate to be in that boardroom if that happened.

We've got some pretty reliable sources telling us this saga is almost over and I'm certainly in after weighing up all the evidence. The only thing saying it may not happen is some disgruntled Bayern fans and the usual doom mongerors.

I'm my eyes were now in the window for his partner in CM
 
Still can't shake the feeling that he isn't 'the one'. If we signed him, I'd be pleased, as he's obviously a very good player, and would become our best midfielder by default. Who we decided to partner him with would be of great importance though. Any idea of us going after Kroos and Cesc isn't the way forward in my view. Don't get me wrong, there will be games where we win by 4 or 5 and it would look an absolute dream. That said, the ability to pass the ball and keep possession isn't the only requirement of a midfield.

I'd prefer a player with more of Barkley's qualities than Kroos i think, someone who can carry the ball as well as pass it, someone strong and fast. Especially as we will likely have Mata in the 10. I believe in the cliché of 'earning the right to play your football', particularly in the PL. I don't think a Kroos / Cesc partnership would do that enough, and neither are great dribblers either to resist a high press. If we got Vidal for example, then feck yea, go and get Kroos. This is because Vidal can play with anyone. I don't think Strootman, Carrick or Cesc compensate the energy with or without the ball to partner Kroos well.

For me, Thiago was the one last summer, and I really believe Kovaciç is the one this summer. Either of them can play with either a Vidal or a Strootman, simply because they offer enough both physically and creatively to compliment.

Under better circumstances, I would have had Gundogan over Kroos any day. Again, Kroos can still be excellent here, but his partner is vital. We need energy with and without the ball. Kroos/Carrick will not be able to box with Toure and Fernandinho I think, or even Gerrard and Henderson - despite being the more talented.
 
SolidState said:
Alright alright you naysayers have had your fun. 25m is the correct price for a player of Kroos ability in the last year of his contract.

The thing people tend to forget is that Kroos is young and that at the end of it all Bayern are a business just like any other club, there are chairmen, presidents and shareholders. It would be a bloody disgrace to them if a player of Kroos ability was lost on a free, I'd certainly hate to be in that boardroom if that happened.

We've got some pretty reliable sources telling us this saga is almost over and I'm certainly in after weighing up all the evidence. The only thing saying it may not happen is some disgruntled Bayern fans and the usual doom mongerors.

I'm my eyes were now in the window for his partner in CM
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Thank Christ this one is done. I was patiently waiting for you to confirm it.
 
I heard that journalist on Talksport last night. I've never been less confident of signing Kroos after hearing him. He clearly just made it all up.
 
Brwned said:
Like Scholes circa '06 without the bad tackling/bite. Keeps the ball very well, keeps the play ticking over, great all-round technique, strikes the ball beautifully with either foot and has a fair bit of creativity. He'd definitely play deeper for us in the majority of games. I do think he's a bit overrated though because before Bayern had Thiago they talked about Kroos as a special talent when I think he's just a step below that (and a step below Thiago).
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He's a shocking tackler so that can be added to the Scholes list. It's only really in the last year that he's dropped so deep but he looks a natural there. For me he's a step above Thaigo rather than the other way round though. The ability to control the tempo of football matches is an absolute rarity and he's one of very few. That type of player tends to mature past the age of 30 but being just 24, he could be around at the top level for years and years. Still though, a little pointless if we don't go on to sign a strong defensive partner for him as he'd be under far too much pressure otherwise.
 
I really hope we don't go for both kroos and fibreglass, both very advanced players, my first choice of the two is Cesc, but would welcome either obviously, just not sure if we would get the best out of Kroos, as we need the 2 in a 4-2-3-1 and Kroos strikes me as a player that would excel being the middle of the 3.

I hope we go for someone further back, in the Gundogan mould, or more that way at least, a mobile defensive midfielder would be great, I think Strootman would do a better job here than most believe
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
I really hope we don't go for both kroos and fibreglass, both very advanced players, my first choice of the two is Cesc, but would welcome either obviously, just not sure if we would get the best out of Kroos, as we need the 2 in a 4-2-3-1 and Kroos strikes me as a player that would excel being the middle of the 3.

I hope we go for someone further back, in the Gundogan mould, or more that way at least, a mobile defensive midfielder would be great, I think Strootman would do a better job here than most believe
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You can't go wrong with Kroos and Fabregas in a 433.
 
More from the Daily Mail's story that Manchester United have agreed a deal to sign Bayern Munich midfielder Toni Kroos.
 
Sarni said:
You can't go wrong with Kroos and Fabregas in a 433.
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Assuming that was the case, who would currently be the 3rd of the 3? As Carrick isn't mobile/defensive enough, if we got a strootman or even (very diff player) Carvalho, it may work but not with Carrick/Fabre/Kroos, behind a three of Mata,Rooney, Rvp
 
Mad Winger said:
Clearly. I thought Robben and Ribery were the standout players in attack/midfield. I don't know if I've read on the wrong places, but my impression is that Kroos is very good, but a bit overrated nonetheless.

Would Bayern really lose a key player with Kroos gone? Is Kroos easily one of the top 3-5 players in the Bundesliga right now? Better than Ribery, Robben, Götze, Reus etc?

Selling club or not: Bayern never seem to care much about money, and if Kroos isn't a player they desperately need and the player wants to move, then couldn't a 20 million deal technically happen?
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By midfielders I obviously meant central midfielders, not wingers/wide attackers like Ribery and Robben. And yes, of course they would be losing a key player. You surely can't have watched much of them this season to ask that. He's been a more consistent presence in that CM than any other player - more than Thiago, obviously, more than Martinez, more than Schweinsteiger even. He's the one who makes their possession-centric game work, the 'Xavi' if you like. And yes, he has been better than Gotze, who's struggled to make an impact under Guardiola so far.

I don't know much about Bayern caring about money or not. Maybe that could be a reason if they were happy with Kroos leaving, but I can't believe they would be. Young, home-grown, German, very gifted, important to the team.

This is not a £20m player.
 
mufcwarm92 said:
Zero chance of both Kroos and Fabregas. Would be a disaster waiting to happen with those two in midfield anyway.
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Not combined with a tough tackler in a midfield 3.

---------Kroos

Fabregas-----Carvalho

This would work, Kroos able to do his thing at the point of the 3. Carvalho would sit allowing Fabregas to operate around the middle while providing defensive cover to any counter attacks. Van Gaal has used this combo before, with two inside forwards operating either side of RVP, we would be a force. Allow me to muppet out a bit and add Hummels as our new CB along with the expected deal for shaw. It's clear that Louis would add Robben too if possible. We'd end up with one hell of a team.

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You'd imagine about 120-150mil would secure this given the players want to move. All depends on how much we actually have to spend though. Eh, we can dream though :drool:
 
Adcuth said:
Not combined with a tough tackler in a midfield 3.

---------Kroos

Fabregas-----Carvalho

This would work, Kroos able to do his thing at the point of the 3. Carvalho would sit allowing Fabregas to operate around the middle while providing defensive cover to any counter attacks. Van Gaal has used this combo before, with two inside forwards operating either side of RVP, we would be a force. Allow me to muppet out a bit and add Hummels as our new CB along with the expected deal for shaw. It's clear that Louis would add Robben too if possible. We'd end up with one hell of a team.

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You'd imagine about 120-150mil would secure this given the players want to move. All depends on how much we actually have to spend though. Eh, we can dream though :drool:
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Replace Carvalho with Phil Jones and you might be on to something, also I doubt we will sign Hummels tbh.
 
Adcuth said:
Not combined with a tough tackler in a midfield 3.

---------Kroos

Fabregas-----Carvalho

This would work, Kroos able to do his thing at the point of the 3. Carvalho would sit allowing Fabregas to operate around the middle while providing defensive cover to any counter attacks. Van Gaal has used this combo before, with two inside forwards operating either side of RVP, we would be a force. Allow me to muppet out a bit and add Hummels as our new CB along with the expected deal for shaw. It's clear that Louis would add Robben too if possible. We'd end up with one hell of a team.

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You'd imagine about 120-150mil would secure this given the players want to move. All depends on how much we actually have to spend though. Eh, we can dream though :drool:
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I instantly hate any team that doesn't include Mata.
 
Cassidy said:
Replace Carvalho with Phil Jones and you might be on to something, also I doubt we will sign Hummels tbh.
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I can't see Van Gaal wanting to play Jones in midfield tbh, that was done due to a lack of options for us previously. I never feel safe with him there anyway. If we are unable to get a CB in the summer i'd be pairing Evans and Jones consistently and allow them to build a partnership
 
RedStarUnited said:
so after those 3 signings, where do you expect to fit in Mata, Rooney, RVP, Kagawa and Januzaj. At least 3 of them would expect to be starters.
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RVP and Rooney can fight it out for the striker spot. It's clear they can't play together. Mata has proven he can play on the left or right. Januzaj shouldn't expect to be a starter at his age.
 
Summit said:
I instantly hate any team that doesn't include Mata.
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Was just an example this pal. Listening to Van Gaal he can play multiple formations given opposition, availability etc. Mata will be getting plenty of games. i just wasn't gonna bother making a shit load of formations though to include mata, kagawa, rooney etc haha
 
Adcuth said:
I can't see Van Gaal wanting to play Jones in midfield tbh, that was done due to a lack of options for us previously. I never feel safe with him there anyway. If we are unable to get a CB in the summer i'd be pairing Evans and Jones consistently and allow them to build a partnership
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I reckon Smalling will get the nod over Jones at CB.. you may be right though. I think Jones does well in midfield from a defensive point of view, and he has a good engine to get about the pitch. If we had Kroos and Fab in midfield, we don't really require someone with creativity, just a player who is solid defensively and mobile which Jones is.

For me Jones is very suspect at CB.

Edit - Ok maybe very suspect is harsh, but I do have my doubts about him in that respect.
 
Adcuth said:
Not combined with a tough tackler in a midfield 3.

---------Kroos

Fabregas-----Carvalho

This would work, Kroos able to do his thing at the point of the 3. Carvalho would sit allowing Fabregas to operate around the middle while providing defensive cover to any counter attacks. Van Gaal has used this combo before, with two inside forwards operating either side of RVP, we would be a force. Allow me to muppet out a bit and add Hummels as our new CB along with the expected deal for shaw. It's clear that Louis would add Robben too if possible. We'd end up with one hell of a team.

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You'd imagine about 120-150mil would secure this given the players want to move. All depends on how much we actually have to spend though. Eh, we can dream though :drool:
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2 British players in that team :nervous: Screw that i don't expect Robben, Carvalho. Hummels or possibly Fabregas here and I hope to god we keep at least have an even team of Brits and foreign players.
 
Jando said:
2 British players in that team :nervous: Screw that i don't expect Robben, Carvalho. Hummels or possibly Fabregas here and I hope to god we keep at least have an even team of Brits and foreign players.
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Yeah exactly. Kroos or Fabregas, we don't need both. And I don't want Robben in the same fecking neighbourhood as our team.
 
Cassidy said:
I reckon Smalling will get the nod over Jones at CB.. you may be right though. I think Jones does well in midfield from a defensive point of view, and he has a good engine to get about the pitch. If we had Kroos and Fab in midfield, we don't really require someone with creativity, just a player who is solid defensively and mobile which Jones is.

For me Jones is very suspect at CB.
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Jones is probably very suspect just driving to work with the way he puts himself about :D, i like Smalling too he seems like the type of player LVG would use. I think both him and Jones are gonna have to adapt a lot to get a start though. Both are far from the finished article but luckily for us we're getting a manager who will relish developing players like them. Be interesting to see how he uses the team in pre-season. I can imagine a bit of experimentation for a few games.
 
Jando said:
2 British players in that team :nervous: Screw that i don't expect Robben, Carvalho. Hummels or possibly Fabregas here and I hope to god we keep at least have an even team of Brits and foreign players.
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Who cares about nationality? Ok take out two of those players and put Young and Cleverley. Happy?

At the moment we need to build a great starting 11 and not focus too much on nationality.
 
Jando said:
2 British players in that team :nervous: Screw that i don't expect Robben, Carvalho. Hummels or possibly Fabregas here and I hope to god we keep at least have an even team of Brits and foreign players.
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I think Cleverley, Jones, Smalling, Rooney, Wilson, Carrick and possibly Michael Keane will all be getting minutes this year. Plus any other young talent that catches LVG's eye. There will be a lot of English players on show this year for us. Plus Shaw if we bring him in as expected
 
KM said:
Didn't Daniel Taylor said that two deals are provisionally agreed, a long time ago. It'd tally with the recent reports of Shaw and now this. Let's wait and watch, but we did sign Mata and RVP inspite of the fact that no-one believed we'll sign them.
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I can't immediately find it right now, but in the week of Moyes sacking there was an article in the Guardian saying he was at home on that fateful Monday working on deals for Luke Shaw and Kroos when the stories started coming through that he would be sacked. They could be the deals that Jackson was referring to. Or not.
 
Bojan11 said:
Who cares about nationality? Ok take out two of those players and put Young and Cleverley. Happy?

At the moment we need to build a great starting 11 and not focus too much on nationality.
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I disagree with every thing you said, the sight of City and Chelsea and Newcastle makes me weep, you haven't been supporting United that long obviously, Our club is built around British Elite with a few foreigners to keep it special and interesting, The day we have 1 or 2 british players in our first 11 is a very sad day for English football and i hope we dont allow it to happen, I look forward to seeing Jones,Wilson,Lawrence,Powell,Keane and Shaw if we get him in our first 11 in the future, Maybe I am old fashioned but Im only 22, I just support keeping British football err British!
 
If Kroos does come, I'd say we'll have offered him a very healthy wage, possibly double what he's earning at Bayern.
 
After being on this thread for about 2 hours last night since the Daily Mail's version of events broke I had a dream that it was Kroos himself writing the articles here in England to force a move :lol:
 
Bojan11 said:
Who cares about nationality? Ok take out two of those players and put Young and Cleverley. Happy?

At the moment we need to build a great starting 11 and not focus too much on nationality.
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Of course nationality matters - we're a British team that has always had a good spine of Brits in the squad and it should stay that way. We don't want to join that set of teams who have put out sides without a single English player in them.

But then your username is Bojan, so perhaps there's a bit too much of a FM mentality going on.

Plus, Young and Cleverley? You know Rooney's English, right?
 
No Denials by either clubs, and all very silent on the players behalf. I think this could definitely have legs in it. Whether it will be complete is another story.
 
Nehmen wir Toni Kross: Guardiola und Sammler möchten ihn unbedingt halten, Rummenigge und Hoeneß wollten eine bestimmte Gehaltsgrenze nicht übersteigen. Wie wird es in Zukunft sein?
Hopfner: Bei Michael Ballack war es genauso, und irgendwann haben wir das Angebot zurückgezogen. Kross hat einen Vertrag bis 2015. Es gibt sicher weitere Gespräche. Irgendwann muss der Spieler aber sagen, was er will. Das übernehme ich sicher von Uli. Gewisse finanziellen Grenzen werden wir weiter nicht überschreiten.

Das Angebot für Kroos wird also nicht mehr erhöht?
Hopfner: Das ist der Stand der Dinge, keine Frage.

Gibt es eine Schmerzgrenze, falls für Kroos ein hohes Ablöseangebot kommt?
Hopfner: Weiß ich nicht. Es ändert sich alles oft schnell.
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For example Kroos: Guardiola and Sammer want to keep him desperately, Rummenigge and Hoeneß didn't want to break a certain wage thrsshold. How is it gonna be in the future?
Hopfner: It was the same with Michael Ballack, and sometime we pulled back from our offer. Kroos has a contract with 2015, there will be further talks, but the player also has to tell us what he wants. I copy that from Uli. Certain financial limits, won't be exceeded.

So the offer for Kroos won't be improved?
Hopfner: As it stands, no doubt.

Is there a certain threshold, for accepting an offer for Kroos?
Hopfner: I don't know. It sometimes changes so fast.

From kicker. Seems like they're really done and we have a decent chance.
 
I began believing long time ago. I think he's really warm to the idea of joining United.
 
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