Toni Kroos | Madridista

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I think this is what we have always done and will continue to do tbh.

Not in recent years though. We've been spending ridiculous money on EPL proven players such as Fellaini, Valencia and Young. I dont really like that. TBH I don't even like the club spending money on 22-23 year old British talent who may or may not become top quality. At that age they have already started to be brainwashed in playing the mid table EPL type of football which doesn't suit the continental football at all. If it was for me, we either get them at 15-20 years of age or we dont get them at all.
 
But these whispers started before van Gaal didn't they?

I dunno, I'm not sure there's anything in this one, seems he's after a contract that Bayern don't want to give and he's trying to twist their arm with talk of leaving.

It might've started before, LVG's arrival just made it that more likely. I think there are plenty of reasons for Krooos to want the move. First of all, he'd be an integral part in United's new generation, he'd get a hefty pay rise and play for a romantic club. LVG brought Kroos to the scene and he might feel indebted/obliged to play under him again. Above all though, he'd be a central piece, something I believe most players want.
 
I am not a Bundersliga expert however if I remember well, VG was the man who gave Kroos the debut.

I think you're mistaking him with Müller. Kroos debut was still under Hitzfeld, and he was one of the highest rated youngsters in the world. When Van Gaal had his title run, Kroos was at loan to Leverkusen. When he came back, he mostly played him out of position. He rated him highly but it wasn't like Kroos was one of his favourites like Müller.
 
I think we should try and pursue top British talents as well but we shouldn't overspend on them for the sake of them being British. I also wouldn't use recent history as too much of an indicator as the squad rules make having British players even more of a valued commodity. Both Chelsea and City have spent a lot in purchasing young British players for their youth teams and that would be the route I would go under.

You don't want to wildly overspend but if say you've got two players, for hypothetical purposes who are identical, both top talents but the British guy is £5m more, I would say 'overspend' and get the British guy. Provided you're not signing.

Also I only used them if we're talking about present first team players.
 
I think you're mistaking him with Müller. Kroos debut was still under Hitzfeld, and he was one of the highest rated youngsters in the world. When Van Gaal had his title run, Kroos was at loan to Leverkusen. When he came back, he mostly played him out of position. He rated him highly but it wasn't like Kroos was one of his favourites like Müller.

As I said I am no Bundersliga expert.
 
I think they'd let him go on a free next summer if Pep believes he's a key player for them, and that they can't find a replacement as good as him/better than him. They're in a pretty unique position as a club/team where their other key players like Lahm, Ribery, Robben and Schweinsteiger should be at their peak now so they need to make the most of this pretty special team and win another CL title.
 
You don't want to wildly overspend but if say you've got two players, for hypothetical purposes who are identical, both top talents but the British guy is £5m more, I would say 'overspend' and get the British guy. Provided you're not signing.

Also I only used them if we're talking about present first team players.

That's a nice hypothetical scenario, but maybe that £5m could be used to help us sign Fabregas over Fellaini last season.

To be fair City and Chelsea aren't the only clubs we compete with for English players. You can add Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs and even Everton who can offer a decent wage and a decent style of football compared to almost any other in Europe. Considering we have less players to compete for and the situation where the selling club has a lot of money anyway (TV Revenue) you are left with a situation where Downing can go for £20m quite easily and no one jumps out on that.
 
I am not a Bundersliga expert however if I remember well, VG was the man who gave Kroos the debut.
That's true... Which makes it more likely he'd join
Nope. Toni Kroos was already part of Germany's world cup squad in 2010 when he was still playing for Leverkusen and hasn't even talked to van Gaal once. Van Gaal really did nothing for Kroos' career, moved him around in several different positions all season and planned to play him in CM longterm, which never really happened because Kroos got injured and van Gaal fired.

Seriously guys, the van Gaal hype is frying your brains. Van Gaal gave Badstuber and Alaba their debuts, that's it. Müller already played a few games for the first team in 2008/09 and Hitzfeld gave Kroos his debut in 2007, Klinsmann also started Kroos in a few games before he went on loan to Leverkusen and Heynckes trusted him as a regular starter in the 2009/10 season, which saw him become a quality midfielder and lead to him going to the world cup in South Africa.
 
That's a nice hypothetical scenario, but maybe that £5m could be used to help us sign Fabregas over Fellaini last season.

To be fair City and Chelsea aren't the only clubs we compete with for English players. You can add Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs and even Everton who can offer a decent wage and a decent style of football compared to almost any other in Europe.

Hmm, possibly.

Yeah, I mentioned Arsenal as actually being the ones we compete with most for British talent, probably followed by Liverpool and arguably Spurs.
 
Toni Kroos was already part of Germany's world cup squad in 2010 when he was still playing for Leverkusen and hasn't even talked to van Gaal once.

Seriously guys, the van Gaal hype is frying your brains. Van Gaal gave Badstuber and Alaba their debuts, that's it. Müller already played a few games for the first team in 2008/09 and Hitzfeld gave Kroos his debut in 2007, Klinsmann also started Kroos in a few games before he went on loan to Leverkusen and Heynckes trusted him as a regular starter in the 2009/10 season, which saw him become a quality midfielder and lead to him going to the world cup in South Africa.

Doesn't he take credit for Muller too though? I remember him speaking about Alaba and Muller in an interview about his idea's for controlling the youth.
 
Wish you'd all relax. We're signing him. All this wages thing is just Bayern trying to save face. A we're not being held to ransom by a player thing when in reality the deal was made months ago.
 
Doesn't he take credit for Muller too though? I remember him speaking about Alaba and Muller in an interview about his idea's for controlling the youth.
Yeah, he trusted Müller as a regular starter and van Gaal deserves a lot of credit for Müller's career, no doubt. Still, he didn't give him his debut with the first team.
 


If Honingstein says it, it's on. Now we just have to hope he goes to us.
 
Surely we wont sign Kroos for £20 million, that would way be too good to be true. I reckon a fee closer to £30 million would be more realistic although I wouldn't expect him to leave for less than £35 million, to be honest, regardless if he is in the last year of his contract.

I still think he's using us to get a better contract but I really hope I'm wrong. He's a fantastic player and I'd love to have him at United.
 


If Honingstein says it, it's on. Now we just have to hope he goes to us.


I'm really struggling to not get carried away at the thought of Kroos in a United shirt. Get it done Woodward. Now. Before the WC as well you midget twat.
 
The only thing that worries me about this situation is that Hopfner says Pep still wants to keep Kroos and he made a reference to the Ballack situation. In that case it not entirely out of the question that Bayern will keep him for another season, I hope not though.
 
I disagree with every thing you said, the sight of City and Chelsea and Newcastle makes me weep, you haven't been supporting United that long obviously, Our club is built around British Elite with a few foreigners to keep it special and interesting, The day we have 1 or 2 british players in our first 11 is a very sad day for English football and i hope we dont allow it to happen, I look forward to seeing Jones,Wilson,Lawrence,Powell,Keane and Shaw if we get him in our first 11 in the future, Maybe I am old fashioned but Im only 22, I just support keeping British football err British!

If United continue with that policy it means will will have the most expensive first 11 and no where near a team capable of dominating in Europe. The clues have been in the England national team performances for the last 40 years. Not good enough on many levels yet more expensive more often than not.
 
Shaw & Kroos are looking pretty likely tbh.

There's been so much stories about them I'm actually confident we'll get these targets but what I'm more excited about now is who's next? We've been hearing Kroos and Shaw for months the 'buzz' has kinda worn off, of course that will all change when its official. As for me, I'll probably explode with excitement if we sign Hummels or Reus!
 
The only thing that worries me about this situation is that Hopfner says Pep still wants to keep Kroos and he made a reference to the Ballack situation. In that case it not entirely out of the question that Bayern will keep him for another season, I hope not though.

Nah. They said like Ballack, we will withdraw the offer.
 
To be honest even as an Irishman I care about that.


Utd is losing its identity. And I dont really like it

Yep, I am not English either but I do car about that, United is an English club, always will be. That doesn't mean that we should be playing useless English/British players just for the sake of it, but at united we mostly had a good Balance between great/decent English players and great/decent foreign players, and I don't want it to change and I am sure it won't.
 
Paul Scholes has said the first player he would sign is... Toni Kroos :drool:
 
This does feel like the Thiago saga, only with added negativity due to the lack of European football on the table. On the other hand, Kroos hasn't really been linked with anyone else.
 
Am I missing something? How come you are all suddenly confident it's happening?

Bayerns president today: http://www.transfermarkt.de/bayern-wollen-vertragsangebot-fur-kroos-nicht-erhohen/view/news/160543

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Hopfner basically saying they will not be offering Kroos any improvement on the current deal on the table, and they are waiting to here from Kroos about what he wants to do. Also that similar to the Ballack situation they may withdraw the offer on the table.
 
Am I missing something? How come you are all suddenly confident it's happening?

Bayern's football executive said they won't offer him a new deal and they could sell him. Add that the (unreliable) reports and it's on like donkey kong!
 


If Honingstein says it, it's on. Now we just have to hope he goes to us.


Nah, he's a first class bullshitter and knows nothing, he is just guessing and interpreting this time again. He's in the same boat as Tancredi for me, gets it wrong all the time, states the obvious and comes across as a wanker.
 
Nah, he's a first class bullshitter and knows nothing, he is just guessing and interpreting this time again. He's in the same boat as Tancredi for me, gets it wrong all the time, states the obvious and comes across as a wanker.
Aye? He's a wanker no doubt but he actually knows his stuff. Nothing like Tancredi.
 
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