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Why'll Kroos spend another year on low wages when he knows he could get double wages at another club this season?

Bayern hardly hold the cards here, he's in his last year of contract. Would Bayern really risk losing a player on a free when they can get 20-30m for him?
Because many (German?) players wouldn't sacrifice the chances of winning silverware for better salaries. It's not that Kroos couldn't afford a nice living at Bayern right now.

Bayern fans, pls help me out, but didn't Bayern insist on Ballack staying until his contract ran out? Thanks.
 
Because many (German?) players wouldn't sacrifice the chances of winning silverware for better salaries. It's not that Kroos couldn't afford a nice living at Bayern right now.

Bayern fans, help me out, but didn't Bayern insist on Ballack staying until his contract ran out? Thanks.

That's bullshit. German players or not, Football players are motivated by better salaries.

Also wrt to Ballack, I'm not an expert but from reading his Wikipedia page, it seems that the Bayern Hierarchy wasn't a big fan of him.

However, Ballack's critics noted his frequent "choking" in important Champions League matches. This resulted in open public criticism from club general manager Uli Hoeneß, communications director Karl-Heinz Rummenigge and club president Franz Beckenbauer, all former Bayern players. Beckenbauer later went as far as to accuse Ballack of "saving his strength" for prospective employers after Ballack turned in an average performance in the 2006 DFB-Pokal final against Eintracht Frankfurt.[14]
 
That's bullshit. German players or not, Football players are motivated by better salaries.
It's a prejudice that many fans like to believe but the really talented players who are (1) aware that they have the ability to play in title contending teams and (2) in their prime like Kroos are not primarily driven by money.

Also wrt to Ballack, I'm not an expert but from reading his Wikipedia page, it seems that the Bayern Hierarchy wasn't a big fan of him.
Possibly but as I recall it, Ballack wanted a move while his contract was still running but Bayern refused to sell him. The same could be applicable to Kroos.
 
Am I the only one who thinks that the Alcantara deal was doomed once Guardiola was interested in him? Think about it. Guardiola was Thiago's former manager. Thiago's agent is Guardiola's brother. Guardiola said on the media that the only player he wanted was Thiago Alcantara. How could possibly Moyes and Giggs beat that?
 
Possibly but as I recall it, Ballack wanted a move while his contract was still running but Bayern refused to sell him. The same could be applicable to Kroos.

Sure it's a possibility but I think Kross isn't that important to the Bayern team like Ballack was. I hope I'm right!
 
This story seems to be a bunch of bullshit reporters piggybacking each others bullshit
 
Because many (German?) players wouldn't sacrifice the chances of winning silverware for better salaries. It's not that Kroos couldn't afford a nice living at Bayern right now.

Bayern fans, pls help me out, but didn't Bayern insist on Ballack staying until his contract ran out? Thanks.

one season without the champions league would not do any harm to toni kroos' career. in fact he has won about almost everything he could at bayern and might want another challenge. i hope this is going to be the one of the case.

money has to be the biggest motivation of all. we all knew that.
 
Sure it's a possibility but I think Kross isn't that important to the Bayern team like Ballack was. I hope I'm right!

He's been their man of the match in quite a lot of champions league away games this past season and totally embraced the responsibility in midfield. His work ethic might not be the highest but he's tidy as they come with the ball. He's very important to Bayern and it still puzzles me that they are not willing to pay up for his wages and we are signing him so easily.
 
Oh my, if we get Kroos, then this horrible wait for a midfielder will be worth it. :drool:

For those of you who are still not convinced. Just check his performance against Arsenal again. He's all that we need.
 
Why are people surprised that an unwanted player, who has a year left in his contract can be going for 20m?

Do you guys remember how relatively cheap Real Madrid got Beckham from us? We should have been able to milk them, especially when you consider that the incoming Barcelona president had won the election based on the fact that the promised to sign Beckham.
 
Why are people surprised that an unwanted player, who has a year left in his contract can be going for 20m?

Do you guys remember how relatively cheap Real Madrid got Beckham from us? We should have been able to milk them, especially when you consider that the incoming Barcelona president had won the election based on the fact that the promised to sign Beckham.

Yup, £20m-£25m would be the right price for a player in last of his contract and adamant on leaving. We paid similar amount for a better player from a rival premier league club a couple of seasons ago.
 
Because many (German?) players wouldn't sacrifice the chances of winning silverware for better salaries. It's not that Kroos couldn't afford a nice living at Bayern right now.

Bayern fans, pls help me out, but didn't Bayern insist on Ballack staying until his contract ran out? Thanks.

I think the first comment is naive in the extreme. It's all a matter of scale and a wage rise of £100k a week, which you would think would be realistic in he moved here, would amount to £25 million over a 5 year contract. That's life changing money in a short career.

As it is Bayern may refuse to sell but it's likely that whether he moves this summer or next year on a free he might have offers that Bayern will never compete with simply on the basis that they don't value him as much as other clubs seem to.

People can point to the Ballack situation and fair play if Bayern dog their heels in, but if a player is certain to go, as he may be in light of offers he has elsewhere, then the sensible option is to take the money on offer and find a replacement to move forward.
 
At the price being quoted 20-30m then yes, I'd love it if he signed. I'd look at him as a replacement for Carrick in the play maker role, and I think we'd still need a more energetic midfielder to play with him.

People will point to the Scholes - Carrick partnership as a similar to the potential Kroos - Carrick one, but Carrick is older now, and with all due respect, Toni Kroos isn't Paul Scholes.
 
Oh my, if we get Kroos, then this horrible wait for a midfielder will be worth it. :drool:

For those of you who are still not convinced. Just check his performance against Arsenal again. He's all that we need.

Arsenal? Is that the side that succumbed to the CM combination of Anderson and Cleverley? ;)

I hope the deal goes through. Not sure Kroos is as good as some suggest, but he has to be a huge improvement on what we currently have. Considering the fees mentioned regarding transfers of some promising English players, 20 million doesn't sound too steep either.
 
At the price being quoted 20-30m then yes, I'd love it if he signed. I'd look at him as a replacement for Carrick in the play maker role, and I think we'd still need a more energetic midfielder to play with him.

People will point to the Scholes - Carrick partnership as a similar to the potential Kroos - Carrick one, but Carrick is older now, and with all due respect, Toni Kroos isn't Paul Scholes.

Carrick shouldn't be a starter. Wouldn't mind Fabregas and Kroos.

But in idea situation we'd want one of them alongside a player like Vidal. Or we can sign all three and Shaw. Those four and I wouldn't care if we haven't signed a winger or CB.

Fellaini signing has screwed us up though. That money could have gone on someone decent. I feel 2 midfielders are a priority. But 3 for me personally because I have no faith in Cleverley, Fletcher, Fellaini, Anderson and Carrick.
 
Why'll Kroos spend another year on low wages when he knows he could get double wages at another club this season?

Bayern hardly hold the cards here, he's in his last year of contract. Would Bayern really risk losing a player on a free when they can get 20-30m for him?
Pretty sure Kroos' sign-on bonus, if he joins United on a free next season, would easily make up for one more year with lower wages in a team fighting for the CL title. Usually both the player and the new club benefit financially from a free transfer, after all the available money has to go somewhere and the former club gets feck all then ;). The question is can United afford to wait? How important is Kroos or are there different players worth buying this season and Kroos could be the icing on the cake next season? Bayern doesn't need the money and are happy to keep Kroos one more year, especially now that Thiago is injured again and might miss the pre-season.

For example:
Bayern were in desperate need of a new goalkeeper, Neuer was available and it wasn't clear that he definitely would wait one more year for the big move (even though he stated later that he only wanted to join Bayern). So we were forced to pay 25m for a goalkeeper with only one year left on his contract.
With Lewandowski, we weren't desperate. So Dortmund couldn't push the price too high and we were comfortable waiting another year. Lewandowski got a small raise to perform well for Dortmund, probably gets a big sign-on bonus from us now and probably made overall more money by staying one more year in Dortmund than by being sold last season.
 
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It never sits easy with me when it's the wages that we are offering are the apparent reason a player wants to join. In tge long run I just don't think it's enough motivation.

I suppose it's the same as what Giggsy apparently said about Thiago. You've got to really want to come here to be considered Manchester United material. Kroos just seems like the stereotypical mercenary cnut at the moment that is screwing his club over. The rumoured wages we will give him is ridiculous.
 
It never sits easy with me when it's the wages that we are offering are the apparent reason a player wants to join. In tge long run I just don't think it's enough motivation.

I suppose it's the same as what Giggsy apparently said about Thiago. You've got to really want to come here to be considered Manchester United material. Kroos just seems like the stereotypical mercenary cnut at the moment that is screwing his club over. The rumoured wages we will give him is ridiculous.

I think it less about wages than people make out and a lot more about his role in the team tbh. He is not allowed to be as expansive and attacking in Peps system and is asked to play a number of roles, wages is an issue, however I don't think its the only issue otherwise I doubt he would leave.

There was always going to be some fall out in CM with the arrival of Thiago, maybe this is it.
 
If you want a list of top players that want to play for Manchester United because of the club name and not because of money, it'll be an extremely short list.
 
After the past few summers, I'm not believing anything until they are sitting at a desk signing the contract, beside a smiling Woodward. But the amount of talk, so early in the summer, is encouraging. Would love us to get this deal done, along with the Shaw deal before the World cup. One more big signing by the end of the summer and we could call it a successful window.

Obviously it could all go to shit and we could end up with Tiote, but I'm enjoying this so far.
 
Didn't Daniel Taylor said that two deals are provisionally agreed, a long time ago. It'd tally with the recent reports of Shaw and now this. Let's wait and watch, but we did sign Mata and RVP inspite of the fact that no-one believed we'll sign them.
The club denied that. I don't think Taylor is as clued up about United as he once was.
 
If you want a list of top players that want to play for Manchester United because of the club name and not because of money, it'll be an extremely short list.

Exactly.

Especially a German player. Why have Chelsea, Man City and PSG signed all these big players in the last few years? It was everything to do with money.

And we need to start spending our money before we get left behind,
 
Didn't Daniel Taylor said that two deals are provisionally agreed, a long time ago. It'd tally with the recent reports of Shaw and now this. Let's wait and watch, but we did sign Mata and RVP inspite of the fact that no-one believed we'll sign them.
The funny thing is that if we'd kept Moyes till the end of the season, Shaw and Kroos/Carvalho could well have been already signed!
 
Pretty sure Kroos' sign-on bonus, if he joins United on a free next season, would easily make up for one more year with lower wages in a team fighting for the CL title. Usually both the player and the new club benefit financially from a free transfer, after all the available money has to go somewhere and the former club gets feck all then ;). The question is can United afford to wait? How important is Kroos or are there different players worth buying this season and Kroos could be the icing on the cake next season? Bayern doesn't need the money and are happy to keep Kroos one more year, especially now that Thiago is injured again and might miss the pre-season.

For example:
Bayern were in desperate need of a new goalkeeper, Neuer was available and it wasn't clear that he definitely would wait one more year for the big move (even though he stated later that he only wanted to join Bayern). So we were forced to pay 25m for a goalkeeper with only one year left on his contract.
With Lewandowski, we weren't desperate. So Dortmund couldn't push the price too high and we were comfortable waiting another year. Lewandowski got a small raise to perform well for Dortmund, probably gets a big sign-on bonus from us now and probably made overall more money by staying one more year in Dortmund than by being sold last season.

All good points Balu, but even if Bayern doesn't need the money why would they risk losing 20m-30m on a player which they don't(and I'm only saying it because of the contract negotiations) particularly seem to want.
 
All good points Balu, but even if Bayern doesn't need the money why would they risk losing 20m-30m on a player which they don't(and I'm only saying it because of the contract negotiations) particularly seem to want.

You could say they got Lewandowski on a free, who is worth £30m which would offset any cost they lose by not selling Kroos.
 
You could say they got Lewandowski on a free, who is worth £30m which would offset any cost they lose by not selling Kroos.
This doesn't work like that. Just because you've won a prize doesn't mean you can just throw an equivalent of it in another matter to a bin.
 
We've done alright in the past.
We missed out on loads of players in the past for various reasons, Fergie addresses this quite honestly in his autobiography. It's just the way business is done.

I'm sorry to show my ignorance here, but what exactly type of player is Kroos? I had him down as an AM, but a few of the comments on this page have thrown me off a bit and I definitely haven't seen him enough to know more. So I'd appreciate any comments on his style, strengths, etc. Cheers!
 
All good points Balu, but even if Bayern doesn't need the money why would they risk losing 20m-30m on a player which they don't(and I'm only saying it because of the contract negotiations) particularly seem to want.
Oh we want Kroos. We offered him a new contract after all. If he wants as much money as United are offering, we simply can't match it and he has to leave. If he wants to be level with the highest paid players in the team, he has to leave, because he's not that important. We have a wage structure and it's important to keep it. We might make necessary exceptions sometimes, but not regularly, not for everyone. If we have a replacement for him lined-up, then I would be surprised if we forced him to say. If we don't find a replacement this summer or have more injured key midfielders after the worldcup, we probably prefer to keep him instead of selling him. In the end, we actually are a football club and want to have the best possible team for next season, not be proud of making the most profitable decisions in the summer.
 
We missed out on loads of players in the past for various reasons, Fergie addresses this quite honestly in his autobiography. It's just the way business is done.

I'm sorry to show my ignorance here, but what exactly type of player is Kroos? I had him down as an AM, but a few of the comments on this page have thrown me off a bit and I definitely haven't seen him enough to know more. So I'd appreciate any comments on his style, strengths, etc. Cheers!

Like Scholes circa '06 without the bad tackling/bite. Keeps the ball very well, keeps the play ticking over, great all-round technique, strikes the ball beautifully with either foot and has a fair bit of creativity. He'd definitely play deeper for us in the majority of games. I do think he's a bit overrated though because before Bayern had Thiago they talked about Kroos as a special talent when I think he's just a step below that (and a step below Thiago).
 
It never sits easy with me when it's the wages that we are offering are the apparent reason a player wants to join. In tge long run I just don't think it's enough motivation.

I suppose it's the same as what Giggsy apparently said about Thiago. You've got to really want to come here to be considered Manchester United material. Kroos just seems like the stereotypical mercenary cnut at the moment that is screwing his club over. The rumoured wages we will give him is ridiculous.

People need to wise up and stop being so naive. Why would any foreign player be deseprate to sign for United - or any English club for that matter?

These blokes are professionals - not fans. I'd leave my job to go to a rival if I was offered double the money and I suspect you would too. The reality is they will want to make as much from their careers as they can before its over, and given how much the clubs generate on the back of the players I'd be sure to be trying to get my cut if I were a professional footballer.

Players will of course want prospects of success and will consider other factors as well but suggesting you only want players who "Love the club" is a joke. These playersmight go where the money is but it doesnt neccessarily mean they wont try hard because all players want success.

As it is, if you want love and loyalty, go and pick 11 fans out the stand and they would give their all, but they wouldnt be any good.
 
Carrick shouldn't be a starter. Wouldn't mind Fabregas and Kroos.

But in idea situation we'd want one of them alongside a player like Vidal. Or we can sign all three and Shaw. Those four and I wouldn't care if we haven't signed a winger or CB.

Fellaini signing has screwed us up though. That money could have gone on someone decent. I feel 2 midfielders are a priority. But 3 for me personally because I have no faith in Cleverley, Fletcher, Fellaini, Anderson and Carrick.

so after those 3 signings, where do you expect to fit in Mata, Rooney, RVP, Kagawa and Januzaj. At least 3 of them would expect to be starters.
 
Like Scholes circa '06 without the bad tackling/bite. Keeps the ball very well, keeps the play ticking over, great all-round technique, strikes the ball beautifully with either foot and has a fair bit of creativity. He'd definitely play deeper for us in the majority of games. I do think he's a bit overrated though because before Bayern had Thiago they talked about Kroos as a special talent when I think he's just a step below that (and a step below Thiago).
Brilliant, thanks.

I guess it's no huge deal to be 'a step below Thiago' that I rate as one of the top young talents out there, and Kroos's profile as you expose it sounds like he'd suit us perfectly.

Though, in fairness, most midfielders out there at the moment would suit us :D
 
Zero chance of both Kroos and Fabregas. Would be a disaster waiting to happen with those two in midfield anyway.
 
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