[Rummenigge and Sammer] will do everything to keep Toni here. But it is up to Toni. He is a young person, it is his decision.
Maybe it's not the exact same people from the other day.
How many world class players did Fergie go after the last few years? He went after RvP and he got him.
Ah, I see where you went wrong here. You got reality confused with not reality.Weren't people saying a few days ago that Jackson talks a load of shite? Now that he's reported something good his word is gospel again...
I can't be bothered to check, but...
That we know of: Hazard, the Brazilian who went to PSG, Ozil, Benzema, ...
He did .... that's when Rooney went all stroppy likeDidn't SAF say he wasn't interested in signing Ozil?
The players that you named Ferguson dropped out of the hunt when pricetags became inflated. Ferguson knew all about paying for unproven talent. That's why we considered RVP a bargain at 24 mil. Moura had a similar price tag if I'm not mistaken. Unproven.That we know of: Hazard, the Brazilian who went to PSG, Ozil, Benzema, ...
Bayern are paying reasonable wages. There's a big difference between splashing the cash on transfer fees and smashing a wage structure to pieces.
Bayern have the luxury of being able too pay "reasonable wages" because they're very successful at this moment in time. Despite this - and this illustrates the point - they might realistically lose a first team regular in Kroos to a club not even playing in the Champions League next season because said club value him more than they do and will be able to offer him vastly more wages.
What you're advocating is running the club like Bayern it seems. Fine - great idea, I'm sure every club would love to do that. Unfortunately we don't have 1) a youth system churning through player after player year after year, or 2) the monopoly to buy pretty much any player from any club in our domestic league. So - how realistic is it that we can run the club like Bayern do taking that into account?
Based on that, and looking at other successful European clubs and the money they spend too stay competitive, then I'd say we haven't got a lot of choice.
People may not like it, and it may be unpalatable but modern football is all about money. Its a noble suggestion that clubs should try to be successful without spending huge sums but in my opinion, it simply isn't realistic. Even if you find a manager who can work miracles year after year on a shoestring budget - how long before someone offers him mega money to move on?
As regards wage structure - assuming the figures quoted here are right, and not just speculation, Wayne Rooney is already on more than that. The vast majority of the big clubs have a few players on big money.
We need to be able to compete for the best players. The club evidently has the money to do it. If not we can expect other clubs around Europe to leave us well behind. We'll be trying to develop the Anderson's and Ashley Young's into superstars while the City's of the world will be buying the Yaya Toure's and Sergio Aguero's.
When did I ever say that he would be a waste of money? Or when did I indicate that I didn't rate the player. What I said that he is a very good player that would add alot to our game but he isn't worth THAT kind of money. Something most Bayern Munich fans would agree on but I'm sure you know much more about Kroos than many Bayern Munich season ticket holders.
Yes, the club needs to be succesful but Kroos should be simply an option to us fixing a glaring problem, which is indeed a necessity that needs to be fixed.
Bayern spent 30m plus on 2 players in their entire history. Martinez, who had to take a wage cut in order for Bayern to pay his transfer buy out clause and Götze, who is still seen as a bargain. Yes, they made Lewandowski a good offer, but nothing that is extraordinary. Lewandowski could've earned more at Madrid.
What I want is a manager that has a plan for this team and has a number of players that could help to achieve that. Not a transfer muppet that simply goes for the best in every position and throws silly money at them.
Yes Manchester United is generating a lot of money, but sadly most of it will go to the Glazers and that's something we have to deal with. We have a budget and I don't want Moyes to overpay on every damn transfer target we have and the next manager can't afford his targets.
Or we could simply try and build steadily rather than panicking and giving someone double the money they are worth. No top team got to where they were by panic buying. They were all ruthless in pursuit but never to the point of desperation. Most got to the top by steadily building, introducing one or two top players a year.
Why would a young player trying to develop their career join a team in decline led by a manager who has no track record of developing any youth players into world stars. It would take a monkey of an advisor / agent to suggest it. Plus, why would you do that when your already at the top club team led by best manager. Bayern will offer him a contract end of the season and he'll stay there.
That we know of: Hazard, the Brazilian who went to PSG, Ozil, Benzema, ...
Why would a young player trying to develop their career join a team in decline led by a manager who has no track record of developing any youth players into world stars. It would take a monkey of an advisor / agent to suggest it. Plus, why would you do that when your already at the top club team led by best manager. Bayern will offer him a contract end of the season and he'll stay there.
Hazard was a very talented youngster. Lucas had never played in Europe and was again a very talented kid who we were after. Both of them were like the Ronaldo chase for us. Benzema was an excellent striker and yes we did go for him. Ozil, there has been no confirmation we were ever even interested.
I was talking about world class players. The likes of Fabregas and Kroos. The ones that we are chasing and who are proven at the top level. I don't remember Fergie going for many of those types in his latter years. He did go after RvP and got him. The only other established top class player I can think of who we went for and did not get in the last few years was Sneijder.
The vibe I've always been getting from reading quotes on the Bayern side is that Kroos is a good player and they are happy to keep him but if he demands wages that they are not comfortable giving, he won't be an irreplaceable loss to them.
Because some players' motives and ambitions lie further than just being "part of a great system". None of us know Kroos personally so we wouldn't have a clue what he desires truly, but if he wants to be top dog at a club, he's got more chance at doing it at United where they are looking heavily to rebuild their midfield, rather than in an established one where he is fighting for spots with 3 or 4 brilliant midfielders. Some players thrive off being the main man, and in a team with the likes of Ribery, Robben and Schweinsteiger along with the emergence of the younger players in Muller, Thiago and Gotze, he may have far greater desire to be the CM of United for the next 5-10 years.
Secondly, the wages have been discussed as a key point: He has been in this Bayern squad for a few years now, yet they sign a player 3 years younger and give him double salaries. If you were in a job for 3 or 4 years, and the company hired a person younger than you for half the salary, would you smile at them and say " hey that's great news, don't worry about my salary going up or being similar, I'm fine just the way it is"? Like feck you would; you would want at least the same as him, considering these two are on the same level of talent at this stage for me, with Kroos being much better this season. Then you get United offering even more than what your club is offering, being the highest earner at the club (joint with Rooney) and one of the highest in the world? Yeah, what sort of monkey would do that.
He's not exactly a kid anymore, he's 24. To say he would need developing by a manager implies he isn't quite there at a top level yet, but the fact of the matter is that he is. He is one of the top CMs at 24, and even if this was his peak level then it's a bloody good peak to have still. On the contract part; isn't it a bit odd that they keep saying that the board will "try their best to keep hold of Toni" for almost 8 months now, since the summer transfer? Surely if he wanted to stay so bad, and they wanted to give him what he wants so bad, then they would have offered him a deal and he would have signed by now?
I'm not saying he will definitely sign for us, not by a long shot. But people being so adamant he won't sign because of the whole "Bayern and Pep are perfect" idea may be surprised if he does choose to leave, because some players' ambition run differently from one another.
The vibe I've always been getting from reading quotes on the Bayern side is that Kroos is a good player and they are happy to keep him but if he demands wages that they are not comfortable giving, he won't be an irreplaceable loss to them.
We're going to end up with fcuk all this summer, aren't we?
I think you're wrong there, I think we will sign some top class players in the Summer if Moyes is still there. We'll see who's right by the end of August. According to reports this morning, deals have been or are on the point of being agreed for Shaw and Carvalho. I hope that's true.I really don't see any players of a very high caliber agreeing to sign with United as long as Moyes is manager. Sure, we'll get young prospects and a few aging stars. But a world class player enetering his prime? No fukking chance.
Fix the manager problem first, then spray your jizz over players like Kroos.
I really don't see any players of a very high caliber agreeing to sign with United as long as Moyes is manager. Sure, we'll get young prospects and a few aging stars. But a world class player enetering his prime? No fukking chance.
Fix the manager problem first, then spray your jizz over players like Kroos.
I really don't see any players of a very high caliber agreeing to sign with United as long as Moyes is manager. Sure, we'll get young prospects and a few aging stars. But a world class player enetering his prime? No fukking chance.
Fix the manager problem first, then spray your jizz over players like Kroos.
