Have to agree. He came through their youth system and by all accounts love the club and playing for them. It's a bit like Inter trying to sign Giggs.
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Have to agree. He came through their youth system and by all accounts love the club and playing for them. It's a bit like Inter trying to sign Giggs.
I hope we have a genuine list of reasonable alternatives if this doesn't happen. No protracted nonsense that lasts months please. I'd like to see everything wrapped up by August at least.
Kroos is no doubt an excellent player, but not at any price.
http://www.theguardian.com/football...ng-toni-kroos-remote-bayern-munich?CMP=twt_gu
Who do we move on to then?
It's not like Koke has had bad seasons to go along with his great one. He is a young player with little top flight history. We want to buy his future, not his past.
This has been obvious for ages.
Haha used once again. Fabregas PT 2
We're making Fabregas jealous so he'll jump ship this summer. Genius, Moyesy. Genius.
Last summer
Fabregas>Herrera>Fellaini
this year
Kroos>Carvalho>Osman?
Fabregas>Herrera>Fellaini
this year
Kroos>Carvalho>Osman?
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People can doubt you but never the originality of your posts. I am always amused.
Our chances of signing him have always been remote, but I don't trust this Jamie Jackson guy at all. And even this article is speculative at best.
This summer has the potential to be even more messy than last seasons.
Kroos' agent is quoted saying he's going to be in Bavaria next year. Are you saying Jackson invented the agent quote, which the Guardian then decided to run with despite the risk of being sued for libel?
This is where the iPads come into their element. No more flailing wildly like a cat o' nine tails looking for a new target, we now simply move onto number 2 in the list. Genius.
Yeah from Kroos to someone like Koke. Hard to identify these players isnt it? Never would've discovered them without the iCloud...
Lets face it the entire Moyes-Woodward era has been an utter joke so far. Why aren't we able to unearth unheard of gems like Hernandez or up and comers like we did with Vida any more?
Running around Europe lifting our skirts for all of sundry and walking away empty handed too. Its pathetic.
This summer worries me, i know kroos was always a long shot, but a lot of these players we are supposedly targeting are unlikely to want to drop out of the champions league.
So we might have to make do with 3rd-4th choice targets, we could end up populating the squad with players of a level or two below where we should be aspiring to, cementing our squad as 5th-6th quality.
So we might have to make do with 3rd-4th choice targets, we could end up populating the squad with players of a level or two below where we should be aspiring to, cementing our squad as 5th-6th quality.
That quote is a week old. Jackson has no new information and is just rehashing what has been known for a few days. He is nowhere near as reliable in general as Daniel Taylor although they both write for the same newspaper. This article changes nothing.
I havent seen a lot of him admittedly but id prefer some more dynamic midfielders anyway
Who would take over him? I would love Vidal more than anyone else here, but I don't see that happening. The issue now for Moyes is the lack of world class midfielders that are available.
Indeed, I've made the same point about Kroos myself. Clearly quality, but would prefer a player who uses Duracell instead.
Such as...
You don't just sign a player like Kroos and be done with, anyway. You place him with someone who can compliment his style and you have one of the best central midfield pairings in the world.
You don't just sign a player like Kroos and be done with, anyway. You place him with someone who can compliment his style and you have one of the best central midfield pairings in the world.
Some of the lack of dynamism was also a result of the role he was asked to play.
Yeah from Kroos to someone like Koke. Hard to identify these players isnt it? Never would've discovered them without the iCloud...
Lets face it the entire Moyes-Woodward era has been an utter joke so far. Why aren't we able to unearth unheard of gems like Hernandez or up and comers like we did with Vida any more?
Running around Europe lifting our skirts for all of sundry and walking away empty handed too. Its pathetic.
You're absolutely right. It would be a lot better if we didn't try to sign anyone at all, then at least we would avoid the risk of public embarassment.
And where did I say we should not sign anyone? I asked, what I think is a legitimate question if our scouting system is being taken into the ICloud age, why we cant identify up and coming talent like we did with Hernandez, Vida, Ronaldo etc. nowadays?
We seem to spend a disproportionate time behaving like City used to in the early days of the Abu Dhabi era: chasing big name players we have no chance of signing. Garry Cook would feel right at home working with Ed Woodward I'm sure.
There aren't that many players around these days that people have never heard of anymore. Big clubs now have global networks constantly trying to find the best of the next generation, so managers such as Ferguson and Wenger struggled to adapt when everyone else caught up.
We've always tried to sign players that we have little chance of getting, but the difference now is that we are making it more public than we used to. Fans have historically cried out for more information about who we are chasing, and now they have it they don't know how to process it. Me, I prefer it when a signing comes out of nowhere (Phil Jones for example).
Long drawn out affairs like Ronaldo and Bale are incredibly tiresome. They happen all the time but clubs will keep it inhouse unless they feel going public will benefit them.
good question. IF money was no object and IF the players wanted to come..
Vidal-Carvalho-Pogba
and id play all 3 in midfield at the same time. Would probably deploy Carvalho just behind the other 2.
JUST FOR MUPPETRY:
---------------De Gea-------------------
--Rafael--Evans/Smalling--Mangala--Shaw
---------------Carvalho-----------------
----------Vidal----Pogba-----------------
-------------Mata----Kagawa------------
-----------RVP/Rooney/Welbeck----------
Absolute non-sense he s exactly what we need a mobile version of Carrick who can finish pretty damn well, pretty much Scholes 2.
As unlikely as it was he would have been absolutely perfect and he definitely would have added something new to our team. There currently isnt a player of his style and quality in the whole prem. To me hes a combination of Gerrard and Silva.
A huge blow if we cant get him. Apparantly we are looking at a £40m bid for Isco next.
As unlikely as it was he would have been absolutely perfect and he definitely would have added something new to our team. There currently isnt a player of his style and quality in the whole prem. To me hes a combination of Gerrard and Silva.
A huge blow if we cant get him. Apparantly we are looking at a £40m bid for Isco next.
This is why I've been crying out for a long time that we do not need to grow from rubbish to awesome with one stroke ! Why not try to go for players that will give us incremental improvement from what we currently have and then look for the 'world beaters' from a stronger position ? For instance we could sign Schneiderlin and another to replace Cleverley, Anderson and Giggs return to the top four and then look to add a player like Koke without any desperation . It's all good going for Kroos or Fabregas no matter how small the chance of getting them is, the problem arises from making them the be all and end all of your transfer strategy .
We already have a world class attack so I doubt whether having a good to very good midfield will hold us back that much, we are not any close to challenging the Bayerns and Madrids of this world so why not build a competitive Premiership outfit and see where we go from there ?
We already have a world class attack so I doubt whether having a good to very good midfield will hold us back that much, we are not any close to challenging the Bayerns and Madrids of this world so why not build a competitive Premiership outfit and see where we go from there ?
because we're way behind in that area? If we dont invest properly now, rest assured others will and we'll be left further behind
Jamie Jackson is a joke of a journalist. This is the guy that got Assy back to Guadiola in a press conference 
He will have 0 inside info.
He will have 0 inside info.
Well, if would prefer any of Koke, Gundogan, Vidal, Rakitic or Kovaciç. It's not like I'm saying not to buy Kroos and buy nobody. It's not even like I'm saying to not buy Kroos and buy a second rate player. Kroos isn't the only good midfielder in the world, nor is he even the best.
It is possible to have a pairing without Kroos that can still be 'one of the best central midfield pairings in the world' as you put it.
Koke or Gundogan would be more of a Gerrard/Silva fusion. Kroos doesn't have Gerrard's drive nor Silva's ability to dribble.
He's more a specialist than an all rounder I'd say.
I'm not saying we shouldn't invest in that area but be more realistic about the players we target . I'm saying let's get the players that will improve on what we currently have, recover lost ground with them and then look to sign the very best from a stronger position . This Fabregas/Kroos or bust strategy will do more damage to us because if Kroos strings us along for the whole summer like what happened with Cesc last time we will end up with no one .
Currently our midfield is in a bad place from both a defensive and creative perspective but if get someone like Schneiderlin to play with or instead of Carrick while we won't reach the standard we'd like but we can be assured of an improvement, rather than waiting for that magical signing we all crave .
Koke and Vidal are extremely unlikely to happen. I'm pretty sure Vidal signed a new long-term contract with Rubentus, and Koke is with the side he has been at his whole career, about to enter the semi-finals of the UCL and is currently first in the La Liga. Not to mention, the fans absolutely love him. If any midfielder is leaving from the Italians, it's more likely than not going to be Pogba. I can't see them selling both he and Vidal. Kroos, on the other hand, is somewhat marginalised - he is not receiving the adoration he wants, nor is on the wage packet he believes he deserves. He is far more attainable than those you mention, not to mention just as good. Kovacic is a talented player, but he is nowhere near as experienced nor polished as Kroos. He is more of a second or third midfield signing. Rakitic is probably the most feasible and I agree I would want to sign him too, but I would sign him alongside Kroos.
And it may be possible, but there's nobody out there on Kroos' level who is as attainable at this current moment in time. Or rather, appears as attainable given the context. I just can't see it.
Is that really the case? Dortmund seem to find a disproportionate amount of very good relatively low profile players. The Dutch and Portuguese clubs have been historically excellent at picking up talented young players and selling them on for huge profit and have been recently joined in that by the petrodollar Ukraine and Russia based sides.
The players are out there, and yes we have been burned by the odd Obertan in trying to find them. But if Porto can consistently find quality players, and sell them on for upwards of £20-£30 million year after year, our scouts must be able to do this too. After all our scouts found Januzaj so they can't be that bad, can they?
Moyes was actually supposed to be really good at this too. Mirallas, Coleman, Arteta...players that didn't arrive in England with the highest profiles but proved to be at the top end of Premier League talent. So why is he now chasing playstation targets? If he could find those guys why can't he find us a good value dynamic centre midfielder or two, instead of looking through the shop window like little boy lost at Cesc and Kroos?
because we need an instant injection of quality?
I'm not saying we should sign rubbish players. Chicharito was a pretty instant injection of quality in 2010. Vidic was pretty good in 2006 too, even if Evra had a tough start to his United career.
Plus, as I said, look at a side like Porto. They have a bunch of players who I think would easily get into our side.
Wouldn't it be better to scout those players and sign them before they go to Porto? Rather than end up being quoted three of four times the price they paid for those guys? Say we wanted to buy Steven Defour from Porto now? How much would we have to pay? And nobody can tell me Defour aint better than Fellaini.
DeFour wont improve us a lot
We need players who will make an immediate impact. Whats the point on spending 15-20m on players who are not that much better than what we have?
We need players who will make an immediate impact. Whats the point on spending 15-20m on players who are not that much better than what we have?
the other thing is, United need to make a statement of intent with a big name signing. Get one in and it encourages others to join. Go for mid-table players and you'll be signing them for years, ala Liverpool
That's my point. Should we not be signing these players at the point they're looking to go to the Porto's of this world rather than once they've already been snapped up?
Did we need to make a statement of intent in 2006 when we only signed Carrick and loaned Kuszcak after selling Ruud? The whole statement of intent signing is overrated. Liverpool never made one last summer and could win the league this year. What bigger statement can you get than winning the big trophies?
For example if last summer we had bought Fernandinho, who was not a big name and would not have been seen as a statement of intent, we would be doing much better than we are now.
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