I've just read this whole argument, yet you've ended it in a few words. So simple yet spot on.
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I've just read this whole argument, yet you've ended it in a few words. So simple yet spot on.
The professor and his prodigies.
Master class vs Arenal. Bayern at this rate will put up the money
The interesting bit will come when Bastian is fully fit. If I'm not mistaken he is the club captain, and would realistically expect to be incorporated into the team. Once Ribery returns too, it adds further strain. Goetze becomes an option to be moved in-field.
Haven't been following the thread but according to ESPN he said among other things, "we have yet to come to a conclusion but that can change" and that "1 or 2 things have been sorted". Essentially saying that some obstacles between him and his new deal at Bayern have been removed. So who's our next muppet dream?
He is vice-captain (Lahm is the captain). I dunno, Pep seems to like Kroos and he and Thiago have created a very good partnership which compliments each other well. It could be a possibility that Martinez will get shifted in defense while Schwein will play with Thiago and Kroos on midfield.
Pep plays with three central midfielders (neither of them as an attacking midfielder) so Gotze won't compete against them. Goetze, Ribery, Robben, Muller and Lewandovski will compete for the three attacking positions (I think that Lewa, Ribery and Goetze will be starters). Or probably Pep would go for 3-4-3.
Was Lewandowski a signing that Guardiola wanted or was it already in the plans and decided before he arrived ? Will Robben be available next summer ?
He is the exact type of player we need anyway whatever happens. Kroos may not be available but we must search high and low to find another player of his calibre.
I mentioned before but not only his passing, his shooting on either foot is such a plus.
You cannot stand off him because he will rifle 1 top corner, but if you close him down it leaves gaps behind.
I mentioned before but not only his passing, his shooting on either foot is such a plus.
You cannot stand off him because he will rifle 1 top corner, but if you close him down it leaves gaps behind.
This is one we should throw even more money at than Mata. It's unlikely but, about the only chance we have to land him is making Bayern really not want bend to his wishes because they have so many other options now (and in the future with being able to get any player in Germany they really want). Make Bayern play hardball with him, let them try alienate him.
Wait till later and Bayern may actually be more amenable to meet Kroos's demands.
Wait till later and Bayern may actually be more amenable to meet Kroos's demands.
According to the media they first contacted him way before Guardiola. Robben's extension seems very likely.
The are too many clubs that would be interested in him if he truly became available. Many of them currently more attractive than us. I can see him being signed by Barca as Xavi's replacement.
Why is this thread even still open? We have zero chance of getting him, he seems pivitol in Pep's team and that showed against Arsenal and his performances this season. He won't be leaving.
Nah, Fabregas will move deeper with Rafinha or Oliver Torres coming in aswell. I cannot see Barca wanting to spend big on anything but a defender in the next year or 2 after Neymar.
No chance. We just spunked all our transfer budget on wayne rooney. We're more likely to sign leon osman or Baines than a class player like Kroos.
We apparently didnt even try to sign Tiago. Thats telling in it's self.
We apparently didnt even try to sign Tiago. Thats telling in it's self.
Those jokes have long ceased to funny...And spunked our transfer budget on Rooney?
So an extra £50k a week on wages means we have no transfer budget? You do know that equates to about £2 million a year right? Go home, you're drunk.
It's not even an extra 50k/week because he's on the same basic wages as he was on previously. I mean potentially it's an extra 50k/week if he performs well in every game (bonuses), but as you said, it's minuscule for the revenue United make.
Where do you get that from?
Exactly, so even less than proposed. Woodward has come out and said he wanted to sign 3 to 5 players this summer, and good ones at that too. £50k added onto the wage structure won't mean we can't sign those 5 players all of a sudden, it won't mean we can only sign 4 now. Players will be heading the opposite direction this summer: Anderson will most probably moving permanently (~£70k), Ryan Giggs looks to be retiring (£75k), Vidic is leaving (£120k), and then potentially Evra (£90k) and Rio (£100k). That's half a million a week we could potentially have freed up, with perhaps even more players moving like Nani, Hernandez and/or Kagawa moving if they aren't needed. In the grand scheme of things, Rooney's extension is a tiny dent on our budget, nullified by all the money that shall be freed up in the summer. If Bayern can't offer Kroos £150k a week, I could easily imagine us doing so, if not make him one of the top earners.
How would you know that ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...g-long-term-contract-worth-300000-a-week.html
Also according to a UWS poster who knows journalists, there's a greater chunk than before in his new contract that is performance-related bonuses, as with all of United's new deals.
Because United have an infinite wage budget.
I dont know anything for sure but our transfer policy over the last 3 years suggests a tough summer a head. Seriously though, we couldnt sign the players we wanted when we were champions of england last summer. What chance do we have of signing anyone when we cant even offer CL football?
If you saw my post above, £50k is added from Rooney's extension, and nearly £500k is freed up with people leaving. You need to see this summer from more than just one angle; Rooney signing on does not mean we won't sign anyone, the opposite in fact. Don't make immature comments like that, when I never implied that we have an unlimited wage budget, but at the same time we are not exactly cash strapped.
I'd say that there are more chances of the club spending money more than ever before this summer as we won't be the champions and won't be in the CL. Players are mainly interested by money and Utd pay the right amount to get the players they want, chances are it'll work out. We don't have the luxury of players wanting to play SAF's Utd anymore, it's pay up or shut up.
Like the £27m we paid for Fellani? We will spend over the odds to sign very average players because the likes of Cesc and Tiago and Kroos will have the same amount of money being offered to them by CL clubs.
Well im old enough to remember David Gill talking about signing 3 or 4 would class players every summer and then... we all know how that ended. And that was when we were champions of England managed by SAF. Who's gonna wanna join a team that finishes 7th and managed by David Moyes?
Do you have short term memory? We just signed Mata, one of the best players in the Premier league. Woodward hasn't even been CEO for a year and has already broken the transfer record for a player that isn't even heavily needed in his position. The club's value has dropped in terms of share price by several hundred millions, which will harm the Glazer's pockets big time as they are majority shareholders. If Moyes needs investment, then he will surely get it. He's had a full year to scout who he wants, and he won't be rushed like last summer where he had little time to get who he truly wanted. We have seen him around so many different matches personally scouting players at the likes of Atletico, at Juve etc. so we know he will be more prepared.
But you can stick around thinking it's the end of the world for United with no hope in sight, because it will be all the more satisfying when we actually get one or two top signings that we actually need.
Are you not aware of Juan Mata's signature ? A quality player who was available for a lot of money and the club paid for it. Fellaini was a big feck up and nothing else can be said about it but that doesn't mean the club will still do the same feck up.
I think it's Moyes' plan to have a smaller but higher quality squad of players than Fergie used to maintain and squad positions then given to youth players which would explain the wage structure.
Well i really hope you are right. But everthing about the last 9 months has been very desperate. Signing a player not wanted by Chelsea for a club record sounds like a panic buy but i guess you can see things the rest of us dont see.
Panic buy 
I think you underestimate the importance of CL football.
If Mata was a player we desperately needed then you would be right. His signature is a proof of intent that the club will try to get the best players available. Fellaini was a panic buy as we needed a central midfielder and we left it so late.
I don't underestimate it, just mentioning the players will always secure them financially first and foremost before other consideration. Look at all the great players Monaco bought while being a newly promoted Ligue 1 team. It's an example that some top players will always be available for the right and often expensive price.
I think he is too; his proposal of a summer restructure suggests he is going to cut our squad down and bring in 2 or 3 more regular starters.
Moyes said he was monitoring Mata's situation since the summer. It's not like he woke up and said " shit, I need to buy a player, let's get Mata who isn't really wanted". He's not utterly clueless as people make out to be, if he has a plan with Mata then I'm sure it needs a bit of time to be implemented.
And I'm sure you are not in the majority in your view. Like I said before, we have signed Chelsea's POTY twice in a row, not some random hopeful who hasn't proved himself in the EPL. I suppose we will have to see in 2 years or so whether buying Mata was a good move or not. Knowing his quality, I'm sure he will be.
The best player in the premier league for the last two seasons....
You're right on Mata but he does have a point. Mata was totally frozen out and it made clear to him by Mourinho, so joining most clubs let alone United would have looked appealing. If a player is at a big team, on a good deal in the CL then they'll think twice if we aren't, no doubt about that. We'll still attract players though due to our size and history, the players we have.
But if Kroos can get 9-10m per year with us......and maybe just 6-7m per year with Bayern Munich
- Money is important for a lot of players
- He has won everything with Bayern Munich (+ he can win another 2-3 trophies this season)
- He wants a new challenge in another country
- He can be a superstar at Old Trafford (He isn't stupid....he knows our midfield is shit).........i doubt he'll reach the superstar level for example like Schweinsteiger with Bayern Munich
It isn't so unlikely we have no chance
- Money is important for a lot of players
- He has won everything with Bayern Munich (+ he can win another 2-3 trophies this season)
- He wants a new challenge in another country
- He can be a superstar at Old Trafford (He isn't stupid....he knows our midfield is shit).........i doubt he'll reach the superstar level for example like Schweinsteiger with Bayern Munich
It isn't so unlikely we have no chance
-Bayern can offer him the same amount of money that we can. The only issue is whether they want to offer him the money he's asking for, and judging by Guardiola's recent quotes, it seems like they will. I'm still convinced that the links to United were created by his party to help get a better deal at Bayern. I think they are owned by the same agency so he would know how much Gotze's on (read: crazy high wages for a 21yo). He would definitely want to be paid around the same as Gotze.
-Possible but unlikely. Messi, Xavi and a whole lot of players have won a lot at their clubs but they still stayed there.
-Possible but then we'll be entering a bidding war against the sugar daddy clubs, Madrid etc. Without CL football, our chances of beating those clubs to his signature is slim because they can also offer him the money that we'll be offering.
-Maybe the German posters can clarify, but is Kroos not already seen as the next superstar at Bayern and Germany? That said, he didn't technically come through the Bayern youth ranks like Schweinsteiger. He's originally from Rostock and only joined Bayern at 16. So more like Januzaj and less like Giggs/Scholes I suppose. Obviously I don't know how attached he is to Bayern but he's definitely not bound to Bavaria by any means.
It's not an impossible transfer, but it depends on a lot of factors falling in our favour. I personally cannot see this happening. Maybe with CL football we have a chance but the lack of it, even for one season, hinders our chances immensely. Throwing the bank at him? The sugardaddy clubs won't watch us sign him and not bid for him themselves.
Why does this keep getting bumped? We're not going to sign him.
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