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To be fair to Wilshere, he's only 22. Surely, it's too early to draw any conclusions about psychological issues, especially not just after a game in which his team was playing without their three biggest goal threats, their best player this season, and were facing one of the strongest club sides in recent times. They also had to contend with being down to 10 men for most of the game (may as well have been 9 tbh).

He's got a lot of responsibility at Arsenal for such a young player and is under a lot of pressure whenever he plays for England. It wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't able to cope with the pressure, but that would be more indicative of England's shortcomings and Arsenal's injury problems than anything else. He shouldn't be under so much pressure at such an early stage in his development tbh. Rooney was in a similar position at a younger age and, inevitably, couldn't live up to the ridiculous expectations people had for him, regardless of the fact that he developed into a top class player.

As a football player you'll always be under pressure. I don't think it was any easier for Isco, Götze, Draxler or Kroos.
 
Comments attributed to him..albeit on bleacher report

Not really. They just quote the dailymail which of course isn't all that much better. They also never quoted van Gaal saying that RvP is unhappy the quote they had was this:

I think he should be great in the tournament because he loves to play in the Dutch squad. The football from Man Utd now is for him maybe difficult but then he wishes to show his techniques. Techniques in the Dutch team for him is higher.

Original Daily mail article and TBR article.

Considering that these quotes can be found elsewhere it's pretty likely that van Gaal really said that. It's a bit sad that atm Moyes bashing seems to be en vogue even among his colleagues. Not very classy if you ask me.
 
I refuted your claim that Morrisson has "the technical ability to match the best talents from any country." Nothing else, nothing more. How you made your weird conclusion is funny to me.
Whatever your point its incorrect. Ravel has the technical ability to match any youngster from any country. Saying what you said makes it sound like there's a drop in technical ability in comparison to the other nations youngsters which basically means you thinking he's lacking technically comparably to them. I just didn't add the rest of the sentence as I'm sure you don't view him similarily to the Parks of the world cause that would just make you a strange customer.
 
there s no chance Bayern will let him go...all the noises we re hearing are just negotiation tactics.
 
Martinez, Thiago, Schweini, Kroos. Bayern seem to have a glut of players and something has to give.

Martinez maybe? He was on the bench for 5 of his first 7 games this season and looks like he'll have a tough time getting back into the side.
 
Whatever your point its incorrect. Ravel has the technical ability to match any youngster from any country. Saying what you said makes it sound like there's a drop in technical ability in comparison to the other nations youngsters which basically means you thinking he's lacking technically comparably to them. I just didn't add the rest of the sentence as I'm sure you don't view him similarily to the Parks of the world cause that would just make you a strange customer.

This is exactly what I meant, there is a drop of technical ability, it doesn't take a genius to see it.
About Morrison more specifically, he has decent technique but lacks of it when compared to the best young European players. He might turn out to become a very good player in the future but now he's far from that whereas the other players mentioned can already be considered as very good.
 
Whatever your point its incorrect. Ravel has the technical ability to match any youngster from any country. Saying what you said makes it sound like there's a drop in technical ability in comparison to the other nations youngsters which basically means you thinking he's lacking technically comparably to them. I just didn't add the rest of the sentence as I'm sure you don't view him similarily to the Parks of the world cause that would just make you a strange customer.
He isn't near the level of other youngsters from other countries (Thiago, Veratti, Pogba, Isco etc). I don't know how someone tries to even argue that.
 
This is exactly what I meant, there is a drop of technical ability, it doesn't take a genius to see it.
About Morrison more specifically, he has decent technique but lacks of it when compared to the best young European players. He might turn out to become a very good player in the future but now he's far from that whereas the other players mentioned can already be considered as very good.
I know that's what you meant and its absolute rubbish. He doesn't have 'decent technique'. He's got 'special technique'.

Being a great technician doesn't make you a great player although its one of the ingredients. Plenty of wonderful technicians have found it difficult to make their mark on the sport. Robinho, ganso, taarabt, cole and lots more pretty obvious examples. The point is the level his playing at, at the moment doesn't determine or display what level of footballer he is.

I don't think we're talking about the same player here. Watch his 15 mins vs fulham earlier on in the season and you'll see just how good he is with the ball at his feet. His control is almost faultless with either foot. If there's one thing you can't criticise him on is technical ability, he has that in absolute spades.
 
He isn't near the level of other youngsters from other countries (Thiago, Veratti, Pogba, Isco etc). I don't know how someone tries to even argue that.
You think Pogba is technically better than Morrison? Oh deary me
 
I know that's what you meant and its absolute rubbish. He doesn't have 'decent technique'. He's got 'special technique'.

Being a great technician doesn't make you a great player although its one of the ingredients. Plenty of wonderful technicians have found it difficult to make their mark on the sport. Robinho, ganso, taarabt, cole and lots more pretty obvious examples. The point is the level his playing at, at the moment doesn't determine or display what level of footballer he is.

I don't think we're talking about the same player here. Watch his 15 mins vs fulham earlier on in the season and you'll see just how good he is with the ball at his feet. His control is almost faultless with either foot. If there's one thing you can't criticise him on is technical ability, he has that in absolute spades.

Your qualification of 'special technique' is rubbish too. Being nice on the ball is not enough to be considered a very good technical player because that's what Morrison is at the moment. This is getting silly now. Your view of it is way too simple and even naive.
 
Your qualification of 'special technique' is rubbish too. Being nice on the ball is not enough to be considered a very good technical player because that's what Morrison is at the moment. This is getting silly now. Your view of it is way too simple and even naive.
Saddest part is you're spouting off about a term you don't even understand and yet you think you're right. Sad sad situation.
 
For sure. I think that being good technically is a lot more than being good at dribbling.
Dribbling isn't techincal ability. However more technical players tend to be better dribblers because they're always in control of the ball. Some extremely technically gifted players can't/couldn't dribble that well (I.e Scholes, Kroos and Guti)

Its the simple case of people spouting a word they have very little understanding of. Now let me teach you what it means. Technical ability is the fundamental of football. Its control of the ball. Think along the lines of first touch, how comfortable a player is on the ball and close control.

Now if you for some reason unknown to man you think that Pogba has a better first touch and is more comfortable on the ball than morrison then there's nothing further to discuss.
 
Dribbling isn't techincal ability. However more technical players tend to be better dribblers because they're always in control of the ball. Some extremely technically gifted players can't/couldn't dribble that well (I.e Scholes, Kroos and Guti)

Its the simple case of people spouting a word they have very little understanding of. Now let me teach you what it means. Technical ability is the fundamental of football. Its control of the ball. Think along the lines of first touch, how comfortable a player is on the ball and close control.

Now if you for some reason unknown to man you think that Pogba has a better first touch and is more comfortable on the ball than morrison then there's nothing further to discuss.

Another football professor, eh?
 
Dribbling isn't techincal ability. However more technical players tend to be better dribblers because they're always in control of the ball. Some extremely technically gifted players can't/couldn't dribble that well (I.e Scholes, Kroos and Guti)

Its the simple case of people spouting a word they have very little understanding of. Now let me teach you what it means. Technical ability is the fundamental of football. Its control of the ball. Think along the lines of first touch, how comfortable a player is on the ball and close control.

Now if you for some reason unknown to man you think that Pogba has a better first touch and is more comfortable on the ball than morrison then there's nothing further to discuss.

Thank you Master for sharing with me the infinite pool of your wisdom.

Pogba's first touch, long range passing and shooting is better than Morrison's IMO. And feck sake, are we comparing a 21 years old guy who plays for West Ham and hasn't had a single appearance for a very weak England yet with some of the best (young) players in the world who are regulars on top European teams?
 
Dribbling isn't techincal ability. However more technical players tend to be better dribblers because they're always in control of the ball. Some extremely technically gifted players can't/couldn't dribble that well (I.e Scholes, Kroos and Guti)

Its the simple case of people spouting a word they have very little understanding of. Now let me tell you my own definition of this imprecise term, which has largely been fashioned to better fit the argument I'm trying to make. Technical ability is the fundamental of football. Its control of the ball. Think along the lines of first touch, how comfortable a player is on the ball and close control.

Now if you for some reason unknown to man you think that Pogba has a better first touch and is more comfortable on the ball than morrison then there's nothing further to discuss.

Fixed.
 
Kevin, John and RooneyLegend. The three wise men of the caf.
Actually if it wasn't for his self-promotion and berry berry shrew post, Kevin wouldn't have been considered as bad. His Barry posts (now in hindsight) makes a lot of sense. Huddlestone/Parker posts don't though.
 
You think Pogba is technically better than Morrison? Oh deary me

I think you're getting "technique" mixed up with "tekkers". Morrison has "tekkers", a wide variety of skills and a silky touch.

Pogba, has wonderful technique. He passes the ball better than Morrison does and he strikes a ball as well as anyone in Football. That is "technique" and as Pogba is the better player thanks to that technique, you could argue that his technique is better.
 
Actually if it wasn't for his self-promotion and berry berry shrew post, Kevin wouldn't have been considered as bad. His Barry posts (now in hindsight) makes a lot of sense. Huddlestone/Parker posts don't though.

There was another post where Kevin goes on about him being a professor level poster and the rest of the caf are idiots.
 
There was another post where Kevin goes on about him being a professor level poster and the rest of the caf are idiots.

I thought he was funny at first but he's completely aware of how people take him and he tries to play on it now. Lost it's charm.
 
There was another post where Kevin goes on about him being a professor level poster and the rest of the caf are idiots.

It was on how many people on here wanted Ronaldo gone after the Euros, and he stood by him because he saw greatness in him, thus self-proclaiming his football professor status.
 
Another football professor, eh?
When someone is flat out wrong, the onus is on you to inform them so they can gain greater knowledge of the subject at hand. No football professor, just someone trying to help a fellow football lover understand something.
 
Thank you Master for sharing with me the infinite pool of your wisdom.

Pogba's first touch, long range passing and shooting is better than Morrison's IMO. And feck sake, are we comparing a 21 years old guy who plays for West Ham and hasn't had a single appearance for a very weak England yet with some of the best (young) players in the world who are regulars on top European teams?
We all know the problems that Morrison has faced during his career, just cause someone has special technical ability doesn't mean they'll be successful, plenty other factors come into play. Plain simply morrison has a better first touch than pogba and is more comfortable on the ball hence he's a better technician than him. Its really that simple. Whether you think my post was arrogant or whatever those are the pure facts. So what if he's got better shooting? That's not what's being argued. This is where you lose the plot. The argument isn't who's the better player(quite obviously pogba atm) the argument is who's more technically gifted and it should be pretty obvious to everyone, but for some reason you seem to think it isn't.
 
I think you're getting "technique" mixed up with "tekkers". Morrison has "tekkers", a wide variety of skills and a silky touch.

Pogba, has wonderful technique. He passes the ball better than Morrison does and he strikes a ball as well as anyone in Football. That is "technique" and as Pogba is the better player thanks to that technique, you could argue that his technique is better.
how and when did tekkers come into this? Morrison has better control of the ball thus is technically better, simples really. Pogba himself is a very accomplished technician, but not on morrisons level.

There are plenty things that have led to pogba being a better player than him but being more technically gifted quite simply isn't one of them. He's incredibly strong on the ball, he's an extremely clean tackler, he's got a powerful shot, and he's a very good professional.
 
how and when did tekkers come into this? Morrison has better control of the ball thus is technically better, simples really. Pogba himself is a very accomplished technician, but not on morrisons level.

There are plenty things that have led to pogba being a better player than him but being more technically gifted quite simply isn't one of them. He's incredibly strong on the ball, he's an extremely clean tackler, he's got a powerful shot, and he's a very good professional.

I think people have different interpretations of what they consider technique, but from what i've seen of Morrison he certainly isn't better technically than Pogba, maybe he stood out more in the reserves, but to me he isn't as gifted as Pogba.
 
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