Agree. I would rather seen him stay at Bayern if he wasn't signing for United. He's a great, young German talent and plays for the best team in Germany. He shouldn't be leaving to sign for fecking Real Madrid. Oh well, guess the money is more important to him.
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Extremely gutted that we dropped interest in him. If we disregard which type of CM we actually need, I want him over Vidal. Still don't know why Bayern don't think he deserves to be in the same wage bracket as the likes of Schweinsteiger and Muller though.
I find it hard to believe we dropped interest in him. More likely, Real came in and that was that as it always is.
That is an argument that I do not understand. Tell me why Kroos has earned it to get into the same wage bracket like absolute club icons who have carried the club through the last 5 years like Müller (who was the top scorer and the one who scored the most of the important goals) and Schweinsteiger (as main engine and leader) and who are the two most important players for the commercial part of the club today - Müller alone in the future? Players that take responsibility, that fight until the end, that try to keep the dressing room together, that take over a lot of the club responsibilities off the pitch.
Well. since heynckes took over, he has been a starter for three years. Still its not only about money.
Our management never backed all players equally. Whenever someone said a critical word about Ribery or Müller, Hoeneß went ballistic. On the other side we have/had players like Kroos or Gomez, that got/get very little public support from the management. Thats obviously a problem in the long run.
I understand why a lot of Bayern fans underrate Kroos. On the pitch he is just not spectacular enough and off the pitch he is emotionally too cold. Dunno why the management does the same mistake. Oh well....if he goes to Madrid and Suarez joins Barca I might reconsider my preferences for spanish clubs.
Our management never backed all players equally. Whenever someone said a critical word about Ribery or Müller, Hoeneß went ballistic. On the other side we have/had players like Kroos or Gomez, that got/get very little public support from the management. Thats obviously a problem in the long run.
I understand why a lot of Bayern fans underrate Kroos. On the pitch he is just not spectacular enough and off the pitch he is emotionally too cold. Dunno why the management does the same mistake. Oh well....if he goes to Madrid and Suarez joins Barca I might reconsider my preferences for spanish clubs.
Well all this Madrid talk is new and we ruled ourselves out before the world cup even started. Maybe just.. maybe we don't actually want him?
Kroos is some sort of demi god on Redcafe. It was only this time last year Gundogan was the best midfielder on the planet... Kroos better than him now?
Well all this Madrid talk is new and we ruled ourselves out before the world cup even started. Maybe just.. maybe we don't actually want him?
Kroos is some sort of demi god on Redcafe. It was only this time last year Gundogan was the best midfielder on the planet... Kroos better than him now?
Some Bayern members like the great Scholl rated him as the greatest player in terms of talent since the God Lothar. And that was in 2007. Gündogan was an unkown when Kroos played in a world cup semi in 2010.
Dont get me wrong. Ilkay is a joyful player and one of the best around last year. But Toni plays on the highest level since 2007. Has won anything on club level. And is 24!!! till 2015.
Also not that one BIG injury. I take him any day of the week. Above the Iniesta of today...
I've heard it all now!!!
It's not hard to win it all at 24 playing for Bayern Munich.. ask Anderson! His a great player and has been hyped as Ballack's successor from when he originally broke through...But for me his ceiling is far less then say a Paul Pogba so for me his here nor there. Next year there will be another flavor of the year. Well maybe not because we will actually have a good midfield.
If I remember correctly, one of the disappointments of the Bayern board with Kroos is that he never fully integrated himself with the other players or with the club and the supporters. Kroos appears to be more highly rated outside of Germany.
Still, when you pay a 21yo Goetze that kind of money, there was always going to create problems.
Never heard anything about this, tbh. He isn't by personality a favourite of the masses, but that is ok, neither were others who still succeeded at Bayern.
Hardly the first time this happened at a top club. What did Messi, Iniesta or Xavi think when Barca agreed to pay an unproven youngster from Brazil an obscene ammount of money...
Well Iniesta and Messi thought it would be a good moment for a payrise - and got them. Xavi thought it night be a good moment to chat to the Qataris.
I dont get the 'love in' for Kroos at all.
I liken him to Carrick , which is my least favorite type of midfielder where they appear lazy on the eye.
They can pop the ball about for fun and probably make the most passes per game than anyone else on the pitch and then stand there and admire the pass. They never make runs ahead of the ball, or late runs into the box.
I no its all tactical and these guys are in the team to take the ball off the back four and distribute, but it really annoys me when midfielders wont go ahead of the attacking play to recieve a pass. Aslong as the midfield partner is their it shouldnt be that much of a risk to take a gamble.
I liken him to Carrick , which is my least favorite type of midfielder where they appear lazy on the eye.
They can pop the ball about for fun and probably make the most passes per game than anyone else on the pitch and then stand there and admire the pass. They never make runs ahead of the ball, or late runs into the box.
I no its all tactical and these guys are in the team to take the ball off the back four and distribute, but it really annoys me when midfielders wont go ahead of the attacking play to recieve a pass. Aslong as the midfield partner is their it shouldnt be that much of a risk to take a gamble.
I just can't see bayern selling him
Perhaps he will leave in a year if they can't agree wages but surely they will keep him and try to negotiate a new contract over the course of the next season
Perhaps he will leave in a year if they can't agree wages but surely they will keep him and try to negotiate a new contract over the course of the next season
Why they have Thiago. They said already they will not pay him more money so it makes sense to get as much off him as they can. They just need to find a replacement. Be that a new midfielder, new centre back or new right back.
He is as good as gone in my opinion. Doesn't look like he will extend with us and I, for one, would prefer us to get at least some money instead of letting him go on a free.
Hojbjerg is probably going to get more chances now. We are certainly not lacking in the midfield area but I've got a feeling the board will go in for one more midfielder.
If you do not find an agreement with a player like this you can keep him the last year with all the noise there might be around or sell him. Seems like Pep decided that he prefers to end it early.
It is not a story like with Lewandowsi where Dortmund knows that they could not have a decent replacement. Bayern already has enough quality in their ranks to close the gap - players of similar quality but maybe a different playstyle - and there is still the transfer market. And it gives a player like Höjbjerg the chance to develop and get playtime even if it first will not be the bigger matches.
"sueddeutsche" reports that Real are in "final negotiations" with Bayern and that club and player only have "final details" about premiums and personal sponsorships to settle.
Yeah. Real flavor of the year if you assist the 1:0 in the CL final of 2012, win the thing in 2013 and stay in a world cup semi final in 2014...
And Im a Bayernguy. I know my Toni. He is THAT good.
You think there's any chance that Guardiola will simply replace him with Alaba. You have signed Bernat who's a left back, so that's a possibility IMO.
It's possible, but he's a different type of midfielder. Alaba is much more of a box to box player and not really someone to pull the strings in a possession game. Without knowing Guardiola's plans for the team, it's pretty much impossible to predict if we're looking for a midfielder this summer or not. Hoijbjerg could play a bigger role than most expect, Schweinsteiger and Thiago might stay fit a whole season, then there's the question if Lahm is a midfielder or a fullback and where Rode will play. There were rumours about him maybe becoming our new rightback. What tactics/formation will be used in our main starting line-up? The 4141 needs different players than the 343.
2012 they lost. 2013 he didnt play!!!!! 2014 so what... I'm not doubting his talent his just not that good. Pogba over him anyday of the week.
Bild reporting that Kroos to Real will bea done deal and should be confirmed after the WC. 25 to 30 million Euros.
Got a good deal there but not sure where he fits in their team.
Got a good deal there but not sure where he fits in their team.
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Perhaps a midfield 3 of Alonso, Modric and Kroos?
There is no place for Di Maria or Khedira in that team.... Not sure where Madrid plan to fit in J-Rodriguez as well...
I dont think, that alonso will be a nailed-on starter next season. They could go for something really risky like Modric, Kroos + Di Maria/Khedira but its a bit weird anyway.
I highly doubt, that they´ll buy Rodriguez. They have already Isco, who plays exactly on the same position.
I highly doubt, that they´ll buy Rodriguez. They have already Isco, who plays exactly on the same position.
If it does happen, I think it'll be a midfield three of Kroos, Modric and Di Maria. Isco and Illaramendi look like they could be squad players for quite a while. May seek a move next Summer with the Spanish squad likely to evolve.
Madrid have squad players worth upwards of 40 million these days. They are so far ahead of us right now it's scary. We really need to start getting our transfer dealings right if we want to catch up with them anytime soon.
Get used to it. It's set up to be that way for the foreseeable future.
Yeah. Crazy that they're selling players they don't need for £43m (Ozil) and £32m (Higuain) etc. While the absolute most we can get for a player we don't need is maybe £15m - and that's if Big Sam really really wants Fellaini, or if Hernandez was deemed a surplus to requirements. That needs to change.
Kroos is a fantastic player, especially when on song, but can go missing in some games, especially when things go sour for Bayern.
Bayern is probably letting go of him because they have plenty of midfielders that can fill his void. Thiago, Gotze, etc. (Not sure if Rode/Hojberg are good enough as I haven't seen them often, if not at all). They're not going to sell players that are crucial to them, not especially for just 2m of wages.
Bayern is probably letting go of him because they have plenty of midfielders that can fill his void. Thiago, Gotze, etc. (Not sure if Rode/Hojberg are good enough as I haven't seen them often, if not at all). They're not going to sell players that are crucial to them, not especially for just 2m of wages.
Kroos played the most number of minutes out of any other midfielder last season. He's an important player for Pep.
Yeah, still find it hard to register that he's not crucial to Bayern - something doesn't add up. Was their most crucial player after Robben this past IMO. Is it really just a case of two million euros a year?
Yes, he does play often, and was a big part of Munich's Treble winning season. But it doesn't mean that Bayern don't have the resources to find a replacement. As I said they're not lacking in quality midfielders.
However if Bayern thought he was important enough to warrant the extra 2 million then they surely would've offered him that much more? If money was not the reason Kroos left, then it could be due to him not enjoying football under Guardiola or he has some other ulterior motive we don't know.
By all accounts it's definitely money pushing him to Madrid. Yes I suppose it gives Hojberg a chance in the first team.
Although Kroos was actually injured towards the end of the treble season campaign.
Because even the players they decide they don't need are top class. Our rejects are truly just that.
With Guardiola you can't really tell who is important or not for the future. He has his plan in his head and will cut anybody's head no matter what they did for him their previous seasons, like he did with Eto'o. This could end up badly for Bayern in the long run, too many changes in a treble winning smashing machine.
Kroos to Madrid is a done deal I guess since BILD are reporting it. They initially denied that any transfer was happening when Marca was reporting it but now both sides say its a done deal.
Rode will flop big time. A reminiscent of old Bayern hiring strategies to snatch players that drew attention in the league for a short time, not because of their specific skillset or to improve a certain position. Along the line of Schlaudraff or Kirchhoff. A few weeks after the latter arrived in Munich, key players were quoted with comments like "what the hell did they buy *him* for?" and the same already goes on about Rode after his not so impressing last season.
Höjbjerg is a different matter. I haven't seen him play a lot personally, but remarks from people who usually are right about such matters (b-team coach Gerland, Mehmet Scholl) this guy has a lot of potential and Pep might well be the man to develop him.
Also, with the signing of Bernat, Alaba might be moved to the center of the pitch as a partner for Thiago as a future perspective.
Only 11 can play
They are well stocked but in the end, only 11 players can play. RM is always a bit special, cause just because they have good players it doesnt mean they win everything
That (wanting squad players worth 40 million) is not what I meant though. That they are able to sell the players they don't need for such large amounts means that their investments in players are much better than ours have been of late. We'll struggle to sell most of our first teamers for that amount if we ever decided to cash in on them.
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